Weezer -- Classic or Dud?

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Nicole, Friday, 11 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

but this is a weezer thread. weezer fans should be on it, right?

danny, Friday, 11 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Excuse me but may I fart?" -Any British person you choose

ChoopyTrags, Saturday, 12 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I've liked Weezer for a long time now. I think they're a kick-ass band. With the await for the new album i've heard that it's sub-pair (sub-pair with only two albums-well whatever). I also heard Rivers say that he knows the lyrics are shit but he doesn't care. I think that maybe he's bitter because Pinkerton wasn't recieved as it should have been. I mean come on, Pinkerton was fuckin great, Rivers poured his heart and soul into that album. Well i'll just have to wait to see what happens with the Green Album, hopefully i'll be content, but no matter what happens i'll always have Pinkerton, and so that to me makes Weezer a classic

Brian Langel, Saturday, 12 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I heard Rivers has decided not right anymore personal songs anymore. Just fluffy songs. You know out of all the material he's been writing, some of the songs on the new album could've been chosen much more wisely. I think they've should've added Preacher's Son to the album. That song kicks ass. Oh Well, Rivers is fucked up but I dig him. He IS THE LORD GOD KING OF EMO (or so I'm told)

ChoopyTrags, Sunday, 13 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Come to think of it, you might be Robin as well. I'm going for a lie down...

DG, Sunday, 13 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Nope. I was "danny", though, but nobody else on this thread.

This is truly bizarre: "Brian Langel"'s email address is one letter away from being Jamie Ashley and Sarah Hutchings's band ...

Robin Carmody, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

all i know is that if i was stranded on a desert island, and i could only take one bands music with me, it'd be the beatles, but a close second to that would be weezer, and that, to me, means they are classic.

carla emmerson, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

They had a band named ragnarok@email.com? What a dumb name for a band.

Josh, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

No, just Ragnarok. I took it from Alan Garner's "The Weirdstone of Brisingamen" (his first book, fucking classic if you ask me), and also because bands in UK boarding schools *always* have the crappiest, most embarrassingly retrograde and "magical"-sounding names.

Well, that was the idea, anyway :).

Robin Carmody, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

You mean they actually let public school boys be in bands? It's really nothing like that movie "If...", is it? I feel cheated.

Dave M., Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Robin - not actually true. Wacky names and puns are more common, often puns on the word 'funk'. This makes them pretty much the same as bands formed by any bunch of 14 year olds.

Tom, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Doubtless quite true. You are, after all, the one who knows it first- hand.

However, The Face revealed last year that "Red Shift" (Garner, needless to say; the one with the astonishing Drake / Thompson / Martyn xerox) was the name of a sixth-form band at Sherborne School, which was essentially where I got the idea from. That, and the cultural myth of 70s prog fans being largely middle-class.

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't know, I think Weezer still is a classic in the making. Green album is great. Cuomo is still wrestling with his issues of loneliness and finding his happiness, but each album seems to present his search in a different light. Take for instance 'Island in the Sun'. I can't think of a Weezer song with such an honesty in his voice. I'm just glad to see that they seem to be enjoying it as much as ever, and aren't sticking to one formula. This album is more pop than Pinkerton, but it's laced with a dark humor.

rob moore, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

hey, i just looked at this awful weezer thread and ned was talking about the dream warriors in there. i mean, the 'my definition of a bombastic jazz style' dream warriors. ned, you rule.

ethan, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

None of you got it right.

Rivers Cuomo, Tuesday, 29 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

That wasn't me.

Rivers, Tuesday, 29 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh that's funny...

JM, Tuesday, 29 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

So I am listening to their first CD right now, and I had forgotten how much I had liked it. Wow.

I had also forgotten the dead pan way Buddy Holly opens with "What's with these homies dissin' my girl?" which is just great.

Ally, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

'Moon of Gomrath' - was read it at primary school - fukscary shit. all weezer is to me is buddy holly.

excuse me if i fart

geordie racer, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Weezer ; utrn off the distortion. THen you can come to my tea party. I used to play the Sweater Song in a Band I was in. Anyone care to talk about the Rentals while we're at it? Atticus Finch!

Mike Hanley, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

SOMEONE WHO REMEMBERS THE RENTALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, but I tried to talk about "Friends of P" with Fred one time and he's all, what? I'm all, that song, you know, it goes, "If you're down with P, then you're down with me". That was the best song.

Ally, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ah, went with The Moon of Gomrath *myself* at primary school, Geordie. And awesome it was (and still is). I even fancied myself as an expert on Cheshire folklore (which is saying something unspeakably precious and Home Counties for a nine-year-old in 1989).

Robin Carmody, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

So, yeah, I've decided my full fledged opinion on Weezer after a relisten to their first two albums and then a listen to their new album is classic. C.L.A.S.S.I.C. That's all I really have to say about it though. It just sounds great. I hadn't listened to them in a LONG ASS TIME before this thread, really.

Ally, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I have the demo tape for "Friends of P" which got sent to the fanclub, I just found it along with old copies of the Weezine, some kaleidoscope thing you look in and see Weezer, and my purple =w= "Rock Music" t- shirt. I'm thinking of gathering it all up and scaring Ramon to death with it.

Otis Wheeler, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I kind of avoided the Rentals around the time of "Friends of P" - is the album any good?

Josh, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

No, Josh, it's not at all. I just really like asking people if they're down with P.

Otis, if you don't take a picture of Ramon's reaction to all that, I will hunt you down and kill you with my bare hands, hello.

Ally, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I so cannot tell whether you are being facetious. Because of course you could like the Rentals album and also like asking people if they are down with P. Who doesn't?

Josh, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Now, Joshua. Why would I tell you that the Rentals album is crap, and then give you the only reason why I still remember it, in a facetous move? Am I trying to trick you? What would that accomplish? Nothing, that's what that would accomplish. So no, I'm not taking the piss. I'm being honest. The album is crap. I only like the song Friends of P because I find the chorus to be one of the most humorously inane things ever written in the history of music. In fact, I will search for the song tonight and download it onto my computer. But other than that, it wasn't worth a listen and I returned the CD back in the day when Tower still had their preferential exchange policy going.

Ally, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

My deepest thanks to you Ally.

Josh, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I once saw the Rentals album on sale for 99 cents, and still thought it would be a waste of money. ;-)

Wasn't Matt Sharpe's big claim to fame that he shagged Miki from Lush? I always thought she had really bad taste for doing that.

Nicole, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

So I've just seen the new video. Listen if you guys like Weezer there's a WHOLE BUNCH of bands that play at Arlene's Grocery on Stanton Street that you'll probably really really love. They're nerds, they rock, they sing about their socks... honestly. There is no shortage. It's an artificial monopoly.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

just picked up pinkerton, partly because of its high placing on the ilm poll. i can't say i like it very much though. it seems curious that so many people seem to love it when it seems very ordinary. there's nothing bad on that album, but nothing very good either. perhaps i was wanting a rerun of 'only in dreams', which, it seems, is the only truly great weezer song.

gareth, Wednesday, 13 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I've never really investigated Weezer beyond what got played on the radio, but I'm slowly becoming obsessed with "Hash Pipe". (The secret to getting Dan to like your video: put sumo wrestlers in it. I hope Christina is taking notes...)

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 13 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Gareth - it helps if you listen to it really really loud.

Josh, Wednesday, 13 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two weeks pass...
You guys are pathetic fans.

Rivers, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

For your information The Rentals SUCK. No balls I hate em. Period. Stupid ass should have stayed in the band. Idiot.

ChoopyTrags, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Somehow I should have guessed this thread would thrive. And even if Ethan's not around any more, thanks.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Rivers... if that is your REAL name... None of these people are fans. Don't sweat it, champ.

Gareth: It also helps if you know all the words and can't sing.

JM, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i have just acquired a $6 cassette copy of weezer's first album and am willing to concede classic status.

sundar subramanian, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Weezer is the bomb.

Ally, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yeah, a STEEENK bomb!

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 12 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

THE RENTALS SUCK! FUCK MOOGS!

ChoopyTrags, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I saw Weezer on the Telly last night - don't know the name of the song or indeed the program, but I guess it may have been a current single as it was a video. Anyhoo, based on this limited exposure they seemed like a very poor 1993 pop-grunge outfit, slightly preppy. Is this representative of their other material, or just a tossed out single? I wouldn't normally give a shit, but I'm intrigued by Sundar's positive comments. He's normally reliable!

Dr. C, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

it struck me as "what if the pixies got bossanova right?" (i. e. what if the pixies were actually the brilliant pop band people claim them to be and not the arty noise-rockers they actually were). they sing boldly, harmonize sweetly, have a strong sense of melody and rhythm, and have a lot of energy. all of which breathes life to the simply stated stories of adolescent losers. the swinging, surging "holiday" is especially beautiful. "only in dreams" actually struck me as the least remarkable song on the album. there's better stuff in that vein on smashing pumpkins' pisces iscariot.

all that said, it is a mid-90s alt-pop album, not something hugely groundbreaking and innovative -- ll cool j good not public enemy good. if you don't like "buddy holly" you probably shouldn't bother with the rest of the album.

now if only i can get josh to concede cinderella;)

sundar subramanian, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

also, the just-enough sinewing guitar melodies suggest to me that they've listened to and picked up on the best aspects of cheap trick/boston aor, which in turn suggests an admirable willingness to go beyond obvious indie touchstones.

sundar subramanian, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Well... "I've got/Ace Freely/and I've got Peter Criss"...

Josh, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Weezer is a good band. That's all it comes down too, they aren't too artsy, they aren't too pop-ish, they're just good. Listen to the music and enjoy it. I hate it when people start to over analyze musicians in any way they can. Yes, some song have meaning, and some songs don't...some relate to life experiences, and some don't. I can't imagine being a rabid fan and chasing after some rock stars hair brush just because it's his. I think successful musicians like being treated like people...most of them at least. They have problems like the rest of us, some just happen to be talented. As far as the emo thingy? Who cares what it's called and who started what...I worked at a college radio station for two years, and I got sick and tired of every band identifying themself as some weird cross between "The Catherine Wheel" and modern emo/pop/punk/alternative rock. There are so many sub genres its sick. And they only exist so labels can market to a specific crowd. I like music...Weezer, Radiohead, Rachmaninov, Portishead, Robert Johnson, Daft Punk...who cares what they identify with, or which specific bands they were influenced by. Now-a-day in the rock scene you have to like the smallest indy club band that put out one 3 ep song and disappeared to have the respect of your "cool" peers. Grow up! Weezer is Weezer...a good band...with good songs...nothing less.

Jeremy, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Weezer is a fantastic band. Pinkerton is still my favorite album. The Green Album is pretty sweet, too, but, Pinkerton kinda spoiled me. ;)

And don't be so harsh on the Rentals- Matt's not Rivers, but, nobody but Rivers is Rivers. ;Þ (Say that 5 times fast!!)

Maybe one day Rivers will become happy. That would be wonderful for him, but, then who would the rest of us sad geeks have to identify with?

Laura, Sunday, 5 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Sundar, why would you boast aboot paying $6 for the first S/T cassette, when you could've bought it new on CD for 99 cents more at Record Runner or Future Shop?

Vic Funk, Sunday, 5 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I just did a cursory search and apparently they've been criticized for being misogynist, racist and homophobic, but I haven't turned up any specific accusations.

birdistheword, Friday, 12 August 2022 17:58 (one year ago) link

all that I knew about.

unless she's making fun of Rivers's guitar playing

Maybe she mixed Rivers up for someone else? There's already several other well-known alternative rockers with similar accusations leveled at them.

birdistheword, Friday, 12 August 2022 20:07 (one year ago) link

eight months pass...

i just saw them play at a little 600 cap venue here. a secret warm up show for their upcoming "back to their roots!" tour thing. they totally sucked, complete dog shit. rivers' voice and guitar playing are still good, bryan is playing and singing great too. but no heart. they had no amps on stage, i guess they just play through rack units. this totally lessens the power of a rock band in a smaller venue. they play to click track and backing track so its hard to rock out. the times they had no click (only in dreams and paper face) then the ol magic was there. oh well.

they played new stuff off their szns eps and it was all proggy, thrashy, metal and very guitar heavy, but what's the point when it's so subdued by sticking to the click?

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 27 April 2023 21:23 (eleven months ago) link

What's the point of playing to a click live unless you have a) backing tracks, or b) lots of visuals or idk pyro effects to sync up? Maybe they do once they move on to bigger venues, or maybe they just hate their drummer.

Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Thursday, 27 April 2023 21:27 (eleven months ago) link

i think they do have backing tracks for some of the newer material lol

'no heart' is completely what i'd expect from them

ufo, Thursday, 27 April 2023 22:03 (eleven months ago) link

three months pass...

listened to the white album yesterday. so perfectly suited toward the summer that i once again convinced myself it's my favorite weezer album

ivy., Friday, 11 August 2023 15:49 (eight months ago) link

I heard Big Dipper's "Ron Klaus Wrecked His House" this past weekend and damn if it isn't "Undone" but seven years earlier and ~135,000,000 less spotify spins. Great song.

j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Friday, 11 August 2023 19:54 (eight months ago) link

Agreed about the white album, I love that record

vexingvexillologist, Monday, 14 August 2023 10:13 (eight months ago) link


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