New Order:Sublime or Ridiculous?

Also: let it be noted that The Cure (who I nonetheless love) were anything but forerunners to NO. In fact The Cure's doom throughout the eighties was to always be about two years behind the Joy Division/New Order axis.

Tim, could you expand on this...

YES THEY DO. Give in, Dan, give in. 1985 was the switchoff year. "Sunrise" -- Cure tribute. "Inbetween Days" -- New Order tribute. HA!

No it's not, because the vocal melody and the chorus are completely different.

It's actually nice that I've managed to keep it fresh for all these years -- but where will it end? There must be a shelf life to this technique if I'm to continue listening to them, even occasionally. And are they truly one of my favorites if I never listen to them? Does New Order get old/the magic wear off, etc?

My boyfriend: "Is this the gays?"
Me: "What? It's New Order."
My boyfriend: "Gay."

xpost - he listens to Dee-Lite.

Said comps are a bit eh -- the box set plus a couple of CDRs from an ILMer are far more cool.

I need the boxed set! I touch it every time I go to the record store. Have the JD one, though.

NO was my all time favorite band 2 years ago.. I still think that they still are on paper, but I think I played them out during my pre and post 'get ready' mania. havent been listening to them much as of late.

I'm not saying New Order aren't highly worthy or anything. Just wondering.

I've often wondered if your strategy can be practically applied, but such restraint I find to be semi-inhuman. Much credit to you if you can do it, though.

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), February 7th, 2002.

Wow. i can't believe I broadly lambasted Movement as ridiculous. Apologies for that.

the mother of all 'portables' go!
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note: all discs are mostly chronological by themselves as best I can tell, except the last which is chronological by artist (mostly).

Joy Division 'portable' (78:11)
Digital
Disorder
Insight
New Dawn Fades
She's Lost Control
Shadowplay
Wilderness
Interzone
Transmission
Something Must Break
Dead Souls
Love Will Tear Us Apart (single a-side vers.)
Isolation
A Means to an End
Heart and Soul
Twenty Four Hours
Decades
Love Will Tear Us Apart (Peel Session vers.)
Ceremony (from Still)

(pretty straightforward and tidy, I wanted Ceremony on the end to point the way to the future).

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New Order 'portable' disc1 80:56

Ceremony (re-recorded vers from FAC 33T/Substance)
Temptation (5/87 from Substance)
Blue Monday (12" vers. from Substance)
Confusion (5/87 from Substance)
Thieves Like Us
Sub-culture (Robie remix from Substance)
Perfect Kiss (extended vers. from Substance)
True Faith
1963 (94 edit from Best Of)
Fine Time
Round & Round
Run
Regret

(the first disc in my 'three histories' of New Order. It's my dream Substance disc1, with the singles from Technique and "Regret" tacked on - oh! and 1963 which is not the remix, but just a slightly shorter edit of the original. Oh and I LOVE the "Sub-culture" remix).

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New Order 'portable' disc2 80:38

Everything's Gone Green
Dreams Never End
Age of Consent
Love Vigilantes
ShellShock (12" vers.)
Paradise
Weirdo
Broken Promise
State of the Nation (12" vers.)
Blue Monday 1988
All the Way
Love Less
Guilty Partner
Vanishing Point
Dream Attack
World in Motion (single mix)
World (The Price of Love)
Ruined in a Day

(covers additional singles and favorite album tracks and most of the additional tracks from 'Technique')

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New Order 'portable' disc3 80:51

586
Your Silent Face
Sub-culture (album vers.)
Sunrise
Elegia (album vers.)
As It Is When It Was
All Day Long
Mr. Disco
Spooky
Everyone Everywhere
Young Offender
Avalanche
Crystal (radio edit)
60 Miles an Hour
Close Range
Run Wild
Here to Stay (radio edit)

(essential odds-n-ends and my faves from 'Get Ready')

side order 'portable' New Order side projects 78:04

Electronic - Getting Away With It (extended vers.)
Electronic - Get the Message (album vers.)
Electronic - Idiot Country
Electronic - Reality
Electronic - Tighten Up
Electronic - Feel Every Beat
Electronic - Disappointed (single mix)
Electronic - Forbidden City
Electronic - For You
Electronic - One Day
Electronic - Second Nature
The Other Two - Tasty Fish (album vers.)
The Other Two - Selfish (The Single Mix)
The Other Two - Selfish (That Pop Mix)
Monaco - What Do You Want from Me?
Monaco - Happy Jack

(surprisingly strong, I find I listen to this quite a bit. This disc generously pretends that Revenge never happened! also 'Twisted Tenderness' is absent and the last Other Two album which I haven't even heard. The second Monaco album is ignored because I don't remember anything from it).
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I love these CDs probably more than any non-person thing.

I like JD and NO equally -- I can't really compare them; they fill completely different roles in my life.

portable Joy Division 1:19:27:

Warsaw
No Love Lost
The Kill
All of This For You
Digital
Sound of Music
Excersise One
Dead Souls
Disorder
Day of the Lords
Insight
Interzone
She's Lost Control
Transmission
Atrocity Exhibition
Isolation
Twenty Four Hours
Decades
These Days
Atmosphere
Love Will Tear Us Apart

portable New Order 1:18:45:

Ceremony (substance version)
Dreams Never End
Procession
Everything's Gone Green
Temptation (substance version, not 81-2ep)
Age of Consent
The Village
Blue Monday
Confusion
Love Vigilantes
Perfect Kiss (12" mix) while choosing some versions to keep short, I had to go all out here
Bizarre Love Triangle (Brotherhood version)
Subculture
Fine Time
True Faith

Spencer, as far as side projects, what about all the stuff on the Cool As Ice comps? I think that contains some of Bernards most amazing productions, clearly he was more then just a twiddling knobs on those tracks, but programming the sounds, the drums etc.

And while here, anyone have info on the Red Turns To 12"? New Order with the singer from OMD apparently?

Wow. You actually retracted that. Whew! (literally wiping brow)

http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2011/10/10/new-order-peter-saville-posters-paris-brussels/

The reunited New Order — Bernard Sumner, Stephen Morris and Gillian Gilbert — also released a video statement promoting the sale of the posters, which you can watch below. They do not, however, respond to their surly former bandmate Peter Hook’s recent accusations that they’re actually reuniting for profit and have a future U.S. tour in the works.

...because of course Hook's tour is about charity.

Anyway I presume Spencer has already ordered both of those posters.

You know, it's odd that the last couple of chapters of New Order live have largely been Gillian-free. And then Hook is out and suddenly Gillian reappears. Hmmm....

Surely they've been seen in the same room before...

I think I meant maybe more that they really didn't like each other?

...because of course Hook's tour is about charity.

Because of course Hook has claimed that he's only playing two gigs and they're just for charity, and not openly said at every stage that he's doing it to earn a living.

Stephen Morris ranks the New Order discography...

http://noisey.vice.com/blog/new-order-rank-your-records

Isolation pic.twitter.com/PJlcHVawvJ

— Paul Quarantine Duane (@MrPaulDuane) May 19, 2020

answer to thread q is clearly “yes”