Roxy Music 'Avalon'

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I think it's kind of interesting in how Eno and Ferry ended up in broadly similar places sonically. Eno, unsurprisingly switching quite markedly from his glam art rock to ambient, while Ferry edged cautiously towards it.

The big difference is that Eno's pieces are aiming for the illusion of stillness, like a water feature while Ferry is trying for stillness. Or put another way Eno's still curious, Avalon's the work of a man who's found his place, both socially and romantically, and is contented. It's no suprise that he packed Roxy in after that as it was an artistic dead end, though he did try refining it with diminishing returns over the following 15 years. It's also no surprise giving his recent background that Frantic is probably his best and most invigorating work since then.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 22 January 2004 22:24 (twenty years ago) link

i need to hear that "frantic" album

my mom inexplicably had "boys and girls" in her collection but has no memory of hearing it or buying it. i liked it but was typically afraid to admit to that.

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 23 January 2004 10:21 (twenty years ago) link

four years pass...

jesus christ, grad school has robbed me of the luxury of spending more than 30 minutes thinking about anything except work. i really miss being able to make extended observations like the one that opens this thread. i think i'll slit my wrists.

amateurist, Saturday, 23 February 2008 08:25 (sixteen years ago) link

No, stay true to life. That's the main thing.

gershy, Saturday, 23 February 2008 08:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh my guffing fod. I can't believe this thread came up just now! I was driving home tonight and I saw this street called "Avalon" and I vowed to try to remember to look up the Roxy Music album called that, but I was trying to memorize these other three musical things I'd come across tonight at the same time and then by the time I got home I totally forgot what the 4th thing was and it was Roxy. Thanks ILM! *whew*

Bimble, Saturday, 23 February 2008 10:34 (sixteen years ago) link

ah so that's why amateurist has been so quiet lately

baaderonixx, Saturday, 23 February 2008 11:30 (sixteen years ago) link

jesus christ, grad school has robbed me of the luxury of spending more than 30 minutes thinking about anything except work.

There's a reason I left it.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 February 2008 14:44 (sixteen years ago) link

amateurist is wrong about "To Turn You On." Predictable chord sequence, icky sentiment, blah blah blah -- he sings it beautifully, especially the way he enunciates "God help me."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 23 February 2008 14:52 (sixteen years ago) link

I heard avalon on one of the episodes of heroes last night.

CaptainLorax, Saturday, 23 February 2008 22:26 (sixteen years ago) link

I can't picture that song being party music really.

CaptainLorax, Saturday, 23 February 2008 22:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Alfred OTM.

I could walk you through the park if you're feeling blue or whatever...

rogermexico., Sunday, 24 February 2008 09:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Weird, I was watching 'Matchstick Men' on A&E tonight and "More Than This" was playing in a totally blue collar bowling alley where Nick Cage and Alison Lohman were having a father/daughter game. I thought then "I'm gonna dig out 'Avalon' and give it a refresher spin" but forgot. As Bimble said, Thanks ILM!

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 24 February 2008 09:27 (sixteen years ago) link

In a way, this is an album which screams to be listened to on a Bang Olufsen stereo in a room filled with expensive design furniture, in a huge Westend flat.

Have I tried? No. Can't afford that. :)

Yet, this is New Romantics in a nutshell, but it's kind of nice really because nobody had done anything like that before.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 24 February 2008 09:57 (sixteen years ago) link

finding the guitar line from more than this being used as the standard segue on a radio talk show here in addis was a lil surprising

love love love the album avalon, and c'mon the smoothness is the entire point of the album and title track would rank as my fave track from the album, Yannick Etienne's cries at the end are just gorgeous

H in Addis, Monday, 25 February 2008 03:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Truly, this album is a gift to humans. There ought to be universal acknowledgement of that, at least. Try and imagine a world without it - you just can't.

everything, Monday, 25 February 2008 04:31 (sixteen years ago) link

love Ferry's keyboard work too -- the best Prophet 5 song on earth.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 25 February 2008 04:39 (sixteen years ago) link

the best Prophet 5 song on earth

"Biko" to thread stat.

rogermexico., Monday, 25 February 2008 06:41 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

uh...4CD set?

My $0.02, despite amateurist's admonition upthread not to simply say 'it rocks' - toss off the instrumentals, and albums don't get more perfect than thi

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Saturday, 5 April 2008 21:47 (sixteen years ago) link

I think they're referring to the _Thrill Of It All_ 4CD box, which is just about perfect - except it doesn't contain the entirety of _Avalon_, you'll still need it.

Robyn Hitchcock's cover of "More Than This" is stunning, apropos of nothing.

Mr. Odd, Sunday, 6 April 2008 00:11 (sixteen years ago) link

whoa, where is that from?

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 6 April 2008 00:28 (sixteen years ago) link

That box set looks good but ultimately doesn't interest me much. I like early Roxy (especially Country Life), but I LOVE the Manifesto - Avalon run (including the unjustly hated-on Flesh + Blood) SO damn much, and I have those records on multiple formats.

When I read '4CD box' upthread, I was envisioning a Funhouse-esque, super bloated, meticulously sequenced monster box of Avalon outtakes, alternate tracks, demos, etc. Now THAT would be something...

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 6 April 2008 00:37 (sixteen years ago) link

whoa, where is that from?

What, the Hitchcock cover? Originally from a single but available on one of his Greatest Hits collections from the 90s.

Mr. Odd, Sunday, 6 April 2008 01:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Crazy! Thanks man...

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 6 April 2008 01:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I used to have the 7" of Roxy Music's "More Than This". I remember exactly what it looked like. My best friend once played that song on his stereo out of the blue, too, I wasn't expecting it, wouldn't have even thought he'd know it.

Yes, Robyn H.'s cover of "More Than This" is great.

Bimble, Sunday, 6 April 2008 04:48 (sixteen years ago) link

If I ever spot a copy of the CD with the "Always Unknowing" b-side, that will make the 4th copy of this thing I'll have bought, and it'll be worth it. Great song.

Hideous Lump, Monday, 7 April 2008 02:00 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm hooked on the vocal delivery throughout this album. but particularly on the singles

Charlie Howard, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 12:30 (sixteen years ago) link

If I ever spot a copy of the CD with the "Always Unknowing" b-side

That's on the rarities disc in the _Thrill Of It All_ box.

Mr. Odd, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:21 (sixteen years ago) link

'take a chance with me' is pretty fantastic

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 10 April 2008 10:22 (sixteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

hard to argue with the super smooth lushness of the title track. i'm really warming to this textured 80s sound. even though i may have found it irksome not six months ago.

Charlie Howard, Monday, 28 April 2008 16:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Oddly enough I've played this more than once in the last week. Pretty much everything about it is perfect smoove.

Plus I have the More Than This 7"!

sonderangerbot, Monday, 28 April 2008 18:05 (sixteen years ago) link

I certainly see it as Ferry passing into the New Establishment (at the exact, specific moment when that entity started to form itself, ie mid-1982 when Thatcher stopped being a mere prime minister and became an ideological reformer), cf trying his hand at falconry in the video for the title song, and his society wedding the week "Avalon" the song reached its chart peak. It marked his final moment of contemporary revelance, but it was a brilliant way to go; the kind of perfection from which there is, literally, no way back or out. Nobody could care about Ferry after that; nobody *was meant* to care.
Bryan's son protesting at Tony Blair's constituency home in support of foxhunting almost exactly 20 years later - ie the Ferry lineage now *more* old-establishment than the PM - was the logical conclusion. That's not a diss of "Avalon", far from it.

-- robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 21 January 2004

is that the final perfect moment of Carmodyism, from which there was nowhere to go?

the pinefox, Monday, 28 April 2008 18:34 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

We discuss Roxy in the eighties.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Inspired by all this I've been listening to the Boston 1979 radio broadcast today.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:32 (fourteen years ago) link

from the Manifesto period? how is it?

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link

A touch muffled but an excellent performance all around, Ferry introduces each of the band bit by bit after a particular turn on a song (Mackay after "A Song for Europe" etc.). Should be pretty easy to find, search by 'roxy music orpheum boston 1979.' Some amusing moments like the funky bass breakdown in "Out of the Blue."

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link

His intro to "Stronger Through the Years" kinda invents Jarvis Cocker (even more so than a lot of other things).

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link

The DVD comp released in 2008 has excellent live footage from this period (especially "Still Falls the Rain" and "Ain't That So"), so I wonder if it was recorded in Boston.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

np

i wish my life was like this album

expensive tailoring, cabriolets and romance as a means of anticipating regret?

normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 2 May 2011 09:45 (thirteen years ago) link

plus cocaine, obv

this is a pretty cool interview with one of the guys who mixed Avalon

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug03/articles/roxymusic.htm

interesting stuff about Bryan Ferry's writing process, putting down ideas over a Linn Drum beat and then the band kinda embellishing the groove

(xx-post. misread "life" for "wife". don't know, maybe applicable too ;-)

willem, Monday, 2 May 2011 09:52 (thirteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

Show me other records like Avalon.

love, light, and walkabout-thinking (admrl), Saturday, 3 March 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago) link

OK....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aawe7ydbF0I

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 3 March 2012 16:06 (twelve years ago) link

Thanks!

I quite like Thomas Dolby's "Flat Earth" too, it's sort of like Avalon.

love, light, and walkabout-thinking (admrl), Saturday, 3 March 2012 16:19 (twelve years ago) link

Kaputt.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 3 March 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

Marcello has a go.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 August 2013 03:27 (ten years ago) link

I think you might want to correct that link.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 August 2013 03:37 (ten years ago) link

What a dream: Ferry yelling OKLAHOMA WAS NEVER LIKE THIS

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 August 2013 11:22 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

The more I listen to this record, the more I'm convinced that it's one of the greatest production jobs of all time. Everything on this record sounds so beautifully recorded. I understand that there are those that prefer the more unhinged early Roxy, but man am I so glad they stuck around long enough to make this one.

Turrican, Sunday, 1 May 2016 17:55 (eight years ago) link

have consistently missed Ferry and Roxy on all of their tours through the bay area ....I won't miss this one. would be nice if manzanera were on this tour as well.

akm, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 00:01 (five years ago) link

four months pass...

Tix ordered, thx guys!

― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, January 14, 2019 7:17 PM (four months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

So I saw Ferry's first show of his new European tour on Monday and quite simply: it was a ton of fun! How could it not be when Ferry himself was enjoying it so much? He was so enthused, throwing the audience kisses and just moving about with such swagger all night. His voice isn't what it used to be, that was pretty clear (the first couple of songs he sounded more like Stuart Staples), but that was entirely ok. His backing bank was phenomenal, specifically the drummer and sax player. They were on stage with ten musicians, which I thought was very generous. They ripped through the songs pretty quickly, the bigger hits sometimes only one verse + chorus, but it all made perfect sense and it was just a very tight, lively show, with great sound. We had a blast.

OT: This was by far the concert with the highest average age I've ever went to. I saw people in their 70s taking photos with their ipads :)

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 22:34 (four years ago) link

Ha, excellent. Looking forward to August.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 23:25 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

The surround mix of this is glorious.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 6 June 2019 02:02 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

The back-to-back sequencing of "To Turn You On" and "True to Life" slays me.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 April 2022 02:24 (two years ago) link

It's pretty genius. "To Turn You On" is my secret favorite on the album.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 April 2022 02:30 (two years ago) link

He never sung again with such unshaded passion; I can see him falling on one knee while singing "God help me!"

The keyboard sound on that track = fireplace simmering.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 April 2022 02:32 (two years ago) link

How to make "Or whatever" sound apocalyptic.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 April 2022 02:37 (two years ago) link

The chord changes and melody on "To Turn You On" make me think he was trying to write a Siren-era song with a 1982 arrangement, it feels a bit out of place on this record.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 28 April 2022 03:26 (two years ago) link


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