― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link
I haven't heard of Captain! I don't think Ken Bruce has played them neither.
It's good to be esteemed.
Surely I have liked some recent records. Loads! But it is entertaining to think of stopping with the Bedingfield. The thing about that one is, it was a #1 - that's the distinction.
Martian is so 'factual'!
― the esteemed pinefox, Wednesday, 3 May 2006 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link
check the video for Captain - Broke single: http://www.thisisfakediy.co.uk/articles/1363.html
the female singer looks rather twee
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link
Oh wait Pinefox, I remember you saying you liked Delays 'Valentine' now!
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― the bellefox, Wednesday, 3 May 2006 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link
Also to some extent "Relax", but the actual songs were better in the two aforementioned cases.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Thursday, 4 May 2006 01:46 (seventeen years ago) link
too. hard.
...gah! no can't be done. 'left to my own devices' (introspective version) at a push i guess.
if you dig into his early to late 80's archive as thoroughly as i've done in the past few years you can still find gold. mint juleps' 'don't let your heart slip away from me' anticipates about 3 new musical scenes in 4 minutes.
the look on ilm regular Affectian's face when i played it to him *very* loudly bears witness to it's brilliance.
― pisces, Thursday, 4 May 2006 10:52 (seventeen years ago) link
Horn is credited with a lot of production work in the early 80s that was actually handled more by Stephen Lipson, from what I can tell e.g. Lipson is credited as having produced all tracks on 'A Secret Wish' except 'Dr. Mabuse'. And I have 'Snobbery & Decay' in my head now and assumed it was Horn but no, Lipson again, apparently.
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 17 August 2006 08:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 18 August 2006 21:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 January 2007 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link
This depresses me: in an article where Wendy and Lisa (finally) come out of the closet, we learn this about Horn.
http://www.out.com/detail.asp?id=25083
You were dealing with this during the Reagan years when the AIDS crisis was exploding and the progressive attitude regarding gays started reversing. It must’ve been hard to contend with that while the music industry pushed you to be the next Mary Jane Girls.Wendy and Lisa, nearly in unison: That’s exactly what they wanted.Wendy: We couldn’t have been more opposite of that. We were just geeky musicians. We still are. We did a record 10, 11 years ago with Trevor Horn that was never released. We were hoping that we would have the next fucking Grace Jones “Slave to the Rhythm” extravaganza. We thought, “This is going to be genius! We’re going to be musician freaks and experiment.” And he, honest to god, wanted us to be the Spice Girls. My heart was broken.Lisa: Not only that, but he was so homophobic. I hate to say it, but he wouldn’t even let us eat off of his silverware on Friday because he was Jewish. It turned into this nightmare. He and his wife, oh God, I don’t want to talk disparagingly about anybody, but it made us very uncomfortable.Wendy: Our homosexuality became quite an issue for them.
That’s especially disturbing coming from the guy who produced Frankie Goes to Hollywood and Grace Jones and the Pet Shop Boys.Wendy: And Marc Almond and ABC and t.A.T.u. You name it.Lisa: He would come in and start talking, “Well, I asked my rabbi about homosexuality and my rabbi said it’s comparable to being born a mass murderer. You can be born a mass murderer, but if you practice mass murder it’s sinful.” I was like, “Okay, you can be born gay, but if you practice being gay, you might as well be a mass murderer?” Oh, thanks Trev. Let’s record this song now.
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 24 April 2009 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, that's really awful, but wow, what a fantastic article! I hope Prince fans here get to see that as well.
― Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Friday, 24 April 2009 19:37 (fourteen years ago) link
for a guy thats made a habit of working with openly gay artists, that quote doesnt make sense.
― Michael B, Friday, 24 April 2009 20:38 (fourteen years ago) link
he should work with Bobby O
― dan selzer, Friday, 24 April 2009 20:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Slave to the Rabbi
― velko, Friday, 24 April 2009 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link
michael b otm. and maybe he just didn't like them. hard to imagine the pet shop boys couldn't sniff a homophobe asshole at a hundred yards
― kamerad, Friday, 24 April 2009 21:53 (fourteen years ago) link
Why would they both make that up now 15 years later?
― Alex in SF, Friday, 24 April 2009 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link
Or uh 25 years later more like.
We did a record 10, 11 years ago with Trevor Horn that was never released.
(unless i'm misreading your posts)
― i am david suzuki (get bent), Friday, 24 April 2009 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Or uh 10, 11 years later, ahem.
― Alex in SF, Friday, 24 April 2009 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link
I guess he'd better produce the next Eminem album instead then.
But ABC? Gay? Now that's new to me.
― Geir Hongro, Friday, 24 April 2009 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh no Wendy & Lisa just outed them.
― Alex in SF, Friday, 24 April 2009 23:30 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HetJNakF5ls
― buzza, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 07:19 (twelve years ago) link
why does it hurt when my heart misses the beat?
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
I tend to think that Living in the Plastic Age remains a little underrated. Not in terms of how many people may have heard it or how often I see it referenced, but there's a certain grandiosity to that record.
― timellison, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
Lord, those glasses...
Do you mean "The Age Of Plastic"? Great, great album...
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
Oh right. Yes.
― timellison, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
Both Buggles albums are great and underrated.
― Vendo Caramelos A Veces Sin Dinero (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, the age of plastic doesn't get near enough attention, credit or love. such a strange combination of restrained prog musicianship, lush 70s production and textbook technopop. also seems to have invented and in one album thoroughly explored the collision of electronic futurism and nostalgia for the world it threatens to replace. not a bad song on the album, though "i love you miss robot" seems at this remove to tower over the rest.
love this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIZe6DL08DI
― also we’re divorced now and i hate this movie. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:04 (twelve years ago) link
god, this is so incredibly depressing:
Lisa: He would come in and start talking, “Well, I asked my rabbi about homosexuality and my rabbi said it’s comparable to being born a mass murderer. You can be born a mass murderer, but if you practice mass murder it’s sinful.” I was like, “Okay, you can be born gay, but if you practice being gay, you might as well be a mass murderer?” Oh, thanks Trev. Let’s record this song now.
moral: never learn things about artists whose work you admire
― also we’re divorced now and i hate this movie. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
This one's fun as well. I guess ol' Trev can be a prick but - hey - what else is new in showbiz?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDjsUpqBgao
PS Prince gave Wendy & Lisa shit for being gay as well.
― Vendo Caramelos A Veces Sin Dinero (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
details
― also we’re divorced now and i hate this movie. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
?
[digs around]
yeah, okay, plus w his prop 8 support ;_;
― also we’re divorced now and i hate this movie. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
IIRC, sometime after Prince went full-Jehovah, he approached W & L about recording and doing a reunion concert or tour, but only on the grounds that they both convert to Jehovah and renounce homosexuality. W & L said thanks but no thanks. I believe the fence has since been mended.
(x-post)
― Mucho! Macho! Honcho!: Turn Off The Dark (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
v frustrated by this homophobic thing (missed it until now) as i can't find any results that aren't from that W&L interview.
never knew about the Derrick May thing either! tragic. it's not clear why that fell thru considering May could clearly have been persuaded to play the game to a reasonable extent. plus you'd think he would've asked Saunderson to remix Seal following May's refusal.
― Dear Projectionist (blueski), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
Has there ever been any corroborating evidence that Horn is a homophobe beyond that W&L interview? Because while it's possible, I find it shocking that a producer who has worked with so many flamboyantly gay acts - Frankie Goes to Hollywood! Pet Shop Boys! Um, TATU! let alone the likes of Grace Jones - should be homophobic. I mean, he worked with the Pet Shop Boys again just a few years ago. Why would they hire a virulent homophobe?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 23:58 (twelve years ago) link
Wasn't the gayness of TATU just marketing gimmick?
― Mucho! Macho! Honcho!: Turn Off The Dark (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 7 July 2011 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
After watching the Pet Shop Boys documentary released a few years ago, I disavowed the Wendy-Lisa story. He's got a moment in which he's asked to address the reaction to Queen in America in the eighties. "Raging faggots," he said a radio promoter said, and from the way the scene is framed and Horn's resigned air it's clear he's offended.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 July 2011 00:47 (twelve years ago) link
That he's a prick, no doubt. But no homophobe.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 July 2011 00:48 (twelve years ago) link
Also: Coleman quotes what Horn said his pastor said.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 July 2011 00:49 (twelve years ago) link
doesn't explain the weird silverware thing tho
― Dear Projectionist (blueski), Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:14 (twelve years ago) link
So Wendy and Lisa are anti-Semites. Who cares?
― everything, Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:21 (twelve years ago) link
maybe he's become (or briefly became?) homophobic for religious reasons. honestly, though, i don't know anything about his beliefs. a lot of people do seem compelled to adopt dogmatic stances when they're getting deeper into godhead. yusuf islam and the rushdie fatwa, for ex...
― also we’re divorced now and i hate this movie. (contenderizer), Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:22 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe Horn doesn't let people use the same silverware the Grace Jones had used. I know I wouldn't.
― Tim F, Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:24 (twelve years ago) link
Haven't seen this linked here yet. Loads of great anecdotes. Good thing ol' Trev's a talker because these Red Bull folks are dry as mummies.http://vimeo.com/32447278
― Loo Reading (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 16 September 2012 23:13 (eleven years ago) link
New and very great and nerdy three hour interview (with Trevor Jackson) on NTS Radio : http://www.nts.live/shows/trevorjackson/episodes/trevor-jackson-trevor-horn-in-conversation-16th-december-2016
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 14:32 (seven years ago) link
^ this show / chat is fan-tastic.
― Noel Emits, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:35 (seven years ago) link
Yes it is. Only bum note for me is tooooo little time spent in Propaganda ( some rancor still there, obviously) while way too much time spent on McClaren and "Duck Rock".
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 18:55 (seven years ago) link
*on Propaganda
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 18:56 (seven years ago) link
I thought Stephen Lipson produced the Propaganda stuff?
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 19:08 (seven years ago) link
Wiki says he was "too busy" to produce it but I don't believe it. His signature is all over the album, good as Lipson was with working the synths and programming.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:16 (seven years ago) link
"He" meaning Horn
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:17 (seven years ago) link
A simple list, m'kay?
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 02:28 (six years ago) link