david foster wallace: classic or dud

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Girl with Curious Hair, Broom, Brief Interviews all terrible without exception, though each in its different ways. Lynch essay in A Supposedly Fun Thing... offers a couple of insights, the rest of the collection irritates. Wallace speaks for some kind of new man, whose speech patterns, habits, and insecurities he accentuates to cartoonish degree in his characters and through his style. Infinite Jest does a good job of highlighting this new man's plight, and it's worth reading (and not worth reading) for the reason Clover asserts. But the new man Wallace speaks for is patently unhealthy, this new man is a disease.

Wheeler, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

He's allright, well at least I liked I.J. esp. the stuff on tennis, the zone and dope. You have to read it on a holiday otherwise I doubt it can be finished. Don't have a strong urge to check his other novels though. I sorta liked the essay on Lynch, but 'Signifying Rappers' is rubbish, that's where his "look-at-my-very-long-sentences- with-Greek-words" approach really starts to irritate.

Omar, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
This explains everything.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 20 February 2003 19:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Odd thing about DFW: he is GREAT to read out loud (and in fact most of the title pieces in _Brief Interviews..._ practically only make sense out loud--he has such a command of the rhythms of speech that it looks bizarre on the page).

Of the not-yet-in-book-form material, I'm very fond of "Up, Simba!" and the grammar/usage piece in Harper's. His recent short stories have mostly been "experimental" in the sense of trying to get away from his comfortable subjects and trying to eliminate his tics while maintaining his style. A lot of them end up collapsing at one point or another ("Adult World," in particular, is a very ambitious near-total misfire).

But for verbal glory plus neatly masked high moral seriousness, there's nobody anywhere near him writing right now in English, I think.

Douglas (Douglas), Thursday, 20 February 2003 20:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

I usually like him, but that grammar piece I hate, and I get annoyed too at the "Calculus was for me, quite literally, child's play" math shit. Oh and his rap stuff: HA!!

Dan I., Thursday, 20 February 2003 20:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

IJ, or the few hundred pages I was able to make it through, was an unfunny and tedious dud; but most of Brief Interviews, much of A Supposedly Fun Thing (esp. the last essay), and some of the Curious Hair stories are classic. Toby's comments/paradox about rambling, above, is OTM.

Chris P (Chris P), Thursday, 20 February 2003 20:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

"There was the letter where he explained how he now wants to be called 'Dave' and included a page-long description of every single 'Dave' and 'David' he's ever known in his entire life."

DFW = Bruce McCulloch?

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 20 February 2003 20:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

I really liked Broom, so will get round to IJ sometime.

I am tempted to say that I like all of the new Pynchons better than the old Pynchon, but it's not true.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 20 February 2003 20:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

toby's OTM.

DFW is classic. I loved IJ, Brief Interviews was... meh, A Supposedly Fun Thing was good, and I really like all the stories from Girl with Curious Hair.

I could care less about the pretentiousness/ego/wunderkind/pynchon rip off criticisms of him. It's great stuff to read.

cprek (cprek), Thursday, 20 February 2003 21:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dud. i can't stand his writing. it strikes me as unusually shallow and "clever". i don't devote too much time to being his critic though so sorry for the shortness.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 20 February 2003 21:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

eleven months pass...
Despite the DFW-hate from the ILX regulars, I am currently reading Everything and More, and am finding it surprisingly enjoyable. Perhaps it's because I'd have no clue if his math is rub, since I'm a math moron. But I still find DFW enjoyable in the main, and far less annoying than, say, Michael Chabon.

J (Jay), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 16:24 (twenty years ago) link

apparently the maths is rub, from what i've heard. i'm avoiding it as i'm sure it will disappoint me.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 17:09 (twenty years ago) link

No idea about the math in Everything and More (which I have not read), but this analysis of the math in Infinite Jest suggests that it's pretty authentic. The writer counts four errors, two of which could be attributed to typos (and all four of which could be attributed to an unreliable narrator / character).

All said, I'm a huge fan of IJ, Girl with Curious Hair and A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again...so DFW = classic IMO. I've never gotten the Pynchon refs, BTW...they mostly seem to be due to the bulk of IJ. Wallace has always struck me as closer to Donald Barthelme.

That's a Goddamn Lie (Liar), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 22:41 (twenty years ago) link

the broom of the system and some of the early short stories are extremeley barthelme-esque. But Barthelme was very out of fashion at the time so the novel didn't go anywhere much.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago) link

one thing that seemed very him (i read it after reading wallace, though) was barth's preface to a later edition of 'lost in the funhouse', with the seven footnotes, or something. i forget. dfw = classic, though.

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 23:16 (twenty years ago) link

iirc the math in a supposedly fun thing is iffy, too.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 23:56 (twenty years ago) link

i read a supposedly fun thing i will never do again, and i hate the smug bastard more and more. he is dull and over relexisve, congratualting himself for being clever.

anthony, Wednesday, 21 January 2004 00:38 (twenty years ago) link

six months pass...
oblivion: stories is disappointing.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 10:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I have IJ lined up after just a couple more books, so might get to it at the weekend, so that'll be me set for a few weeks. I hope it's worth carrying it around all that time and struggling to hold it while standing on a tube.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

My mom just sent me some books she bought at a library sale, and one of them is Infinite Jest. The problem is I already own it (and have already read it). So now I have two copies of Infinite Jest. (The same thing happened with Motherless Brooklyn, though that wasn't as traumatic).

St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Whoa.:

David Foster Wallace, the novelist, essayist and humorist best known for his 1997 tome "Infinite Jest," was found dead last night at his home in Claremont, according to the Claremont Police Department. He was 46.

Jackie Morales, a records clerk at the Claremont Police Department, said Wallace's wife called police at 9:30 p.m. Friday saying she had returned home to find her husband had hanged himself.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 14 September 2008 00:36 (fifteen years ago) link

That's really sad. Suicide is just so awful, so terrible for everyone left behind.

I know, right?, Sunday, 14 September 2008 00:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh my God. Rest in Peace, DFW, "Infinite Jest" is a masterpiece.

Vision, Sunday, 14 September 2008 00:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Dang. How... unexpected.

Casuistry, Sunday, 14 September 2008 00:47 (fifteen years ago) link

holy shit

the valves of houston (gbx), Sunday, 14 September 2008 00:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Classic or Dead

Every Day Jimmy Mod Is Hustlin' (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 14 September 2008 00:50 (fifteen years ago) link

pouring out 40 footnotes.

-- (stet), Sunday, 14 September 2008 00:57 (fifteen years ago) link

i really, really liked his essays

the valves of houston (gbx), Sunday, 14 September 2008 00:59 (fifteen years ago) link

^ this. I really wasn't a heavy reader of his but the essays I did read I v. much enjoyed.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 14 September 2008 01:05 (fifteen years ago) link

He inspired one of the longer author-centered threads on I Love Books - the unfortunately titled: David Foster Wallace - is he a cunt?

I've read only one of his books, the 'supposedly fun thing' collection of essays. It was ok.

His strong point was having a distinctive authorial voice, so you knew at once there was a person behind the words. His weak point seemed to be self-editing, but there are worse weaknesses. Blandness, for one.

Requiscat in pacem, DFW.

Aimless, Sunday, 14 September 2008 01:06 (fifteen years ago) link

r.i.p.

Savannah Smiles, Sunday, 14 September 2008 01:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Horrible.

HOOS clique iphones fool get ya steen on (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 14 September 2008 01:32 (fifteen years ago) link

My best wishes to his family, I'll be re-reading Girl With Curious Hair.

HOOS clique iphones fool get ya steen on (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 14 September 2008 01:33 (fifteen years ago) link

ugh, bad news, so sad

akm, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:00 (fifteen years ago) link

RIP and hugs and best wishes to his family. His tennis writing alone is great, but I always enjoyed everything, every footnote, including his music writing. Damn.

2for25, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:06 (fifteen years ago) link

totally bummed out about this, really. r.i.p.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:16 (fifteen years ago) link

sad news. rip

oscar, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:21 (fifteen years ago) link

Terrible news.

ilxor, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:31 (fifteen years ago) link

holy shit.

got such a kick out of his writing. so much pleasure and humor and wisdom in Infinite Jest. read it during a sad time in my life. it gave me so much hope. read it at the dinner table, read it during breaks at work at my job in a bookstore, laughing the whole time. was waiting anxiously for a new novel from him. . .such a very very sad thing. RIP.

Mr. Que, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:46 (fifteen years ago) link

here's his kenyon college commencement speech, well worth reading, from 2005

http://www.marginalia.org/dfw_kenyon_commencement.html

Mr. Que, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Such bad news. RIP.

kate78, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:49 (fifteen years ago) link

OMG I am speechless and so, so sad :-(

toby, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:50 (fifteen years ago) link

RIP

Tape Store, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:50 (fifteen years ago) link

I reread his Kenyon commencement speech a week or two ago and was really inspired by it again. God, this is just awful.

toby, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:51 (fifteen years ago) link

All I ever got around to reading by the guy was the cruise ship essay and that great list of book recommendations that included Wittgenstein's Mistress. Still, this makes my very sad. RIP.

Retrato Em Redd E Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:55 (fifteen years ago) link

;_;

the tennis-as-geopolitical-power-struggle bit in infinite jest was the best thing ever

mookieproof, Sunday, 14 September 2008 03:08 (fifteen years ago) link

OK, that list was called "Overlooked: Five direly underappreciated U.S. novels >1960" and was on salon.com.

Retrato Em Redd E Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 14 September 2008 03:09 (fifteen years ago) link

Ye, this is it here; http://www.salon.com/books/bag/1999/04/12/wallace/

-- (stet), Sunday, 14 September 2008 03:19 (fifteen years ago) link

Infinite Jest meant a lot to me when I was 19 or so. Very sad to come home to this news.

Clay, Sunday, 14 September 2008 03:21 (fifteen years ago) link

As a writer of fiction I thought he was mostly terrible, and a dangerous influence on the young; but, to echo what Ned and a couple others have said, he was on occasion a terrific essayist, one whose, shall we say, discursive tendencies dovetailed with genuine insight. His piece on David Lynch before the release of Lost Highway remains one of the best things I've ever read abou the man.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 14 September 2008 03:33 (fifteen years ago) link

Authors understand very well that the "I" in any well-constructed book is as much of a construction as any other part of their writing.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 30 July 2018 18:27 (five years ago) link

It's the audience that gets confused about what that "I" is.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 30 July 2018 18:28 (five years ago) link

you are, unfortunately, a deceased fiction writer

difficult listening hour, Monday, 30 July 2018 18:29 (five years ago) link

but how many of them love Jeffrey Eugenides

tough of ol jeff

j., Monday, 30 July 2018 18:35 (five years ago) link

on*

j., Monday, 30 July 2018 18:36 (five years ago) link

whoever is updating Jeffrey Eugenides' wiki page apparently does not love Jeffrey Eugenides

Jeffrey Kent Eugenides (born March 8, 1960) is an American novelist, nonce and short story writer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Eugenides

soref, Monday, 30 July 2018 18:42 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

I feel like it says something about our era vs his that he once ironically titled a book of thinky essays “Consider the Lobster” whereas today we have a dude whose schtick is unironically to consider the lobster.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 10 May 2020 20:24 (three years ago) link

"Consider the Lobster" is an unironic consideration of lobsters tho

flappy bird, Sunday, 10 May 2020 20:54 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

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