You Want Superman Revamp? [Also the Man of Steel (2013) thread]

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Oh, lord - the Spider-Man Clone Saga. Knowing that was happening kept me away from the funny books for a long while.

I take offense at the "the nerds won" thing, becuase the nerds would most definitely concoct some sort of continuity-weighted logistical pretzel (cf. Clone Saga) than some warmed-over soap-opera potboiler. Of course, maybe Austen is just a horny nerd - his storylines in various Marvel books involve contrived lovelines & triangles & other types of polygons w/ dialogue that would melt Joe Eszterhas at 50 feet (cf. the example I posted earlier in this thread). Also, he's been lambasted by various "internet trolls" for his questionable characterization of various female characters. It's also worth reading that CBR interview to read the paragraph where he refers to old-school Lois Lane as a "gold-digging bitch" (paraphrased, of course).

I'd like to think there's a happy DMZ between continuity acknowledgement and devil-may-care hooptie where good stories involving established comic characters can be created and enjoyed. For the love of monkeyfuck, there's no need to play "the other woman" card AGAIN!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 20:24 (twenty years ago) link

I don't see Clark as an alien, at all

He's not an alien, he's Jewish!

Leee (Leee), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 20:26 (twenty years ago) link

The best thing they could do with Superman is just reset every 10 or 15 years, tell the story again starting from scratch, and avoid getting bogged down in this sort of thing. Superman marries Lois? Aww, lovely, but let's end it there because otherwise some 'conflict creates character' dick like Austen will come along and suddenly Superman will be in a boring love triangle. Next time round Superman can get together with Lana for a bit, fine, whatever.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 31 July 2003 08:40 (twenty years ago) link

I take offense at the "the nerds won" thing, becuase the nerds would most definitely concoct some sort of continuity-weighted logistical
pretzel (cf. Clone Saga) than some warmed-over soap-opera potboiler.

Okay, maybe I should have said Evil Nerds. Or possibly Dorks.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 31 July 2003 13:40 (twenty years ago) link

Another thumbs up for the post-Byrne, pre-doomsday days. There were some great titles those days. You had Giffen on Justice League, GM in Doom Patrol and Animal Man, Shade, Hulk, DeMatties on Spectacular Spider Man. Loadsa stuff. That was a fun time to be a 13-year-old kid reading comics.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 31 July 2003 15:38 (twenty years ago) link

On the basis that there's nothing toogeeky that can be said in this thread, Monarch turning out to be Hawk was one of the all-time cheesy comic rip-offs. The kids got screwed!

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 31 July 2003 15:40 (twenty years ago) link

Holy Cow, I'd forgotten all about that. I quit buying comics shortly before that was revealed.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 31 July 2003 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

I've forgotten who he was meant to be.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 31 July 2003 15:52 (twenty years ago) link

Captain Atom, wasn't it?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 31 July 2003 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

!!! What possible reason was there for it not just to be Captain Atom?

(Captain Atom's own series was quite good in places, IIRC, or maybe I'm thinking of someone else.)

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 31 July 2003 15:54 (twenty years ago) link

they had to pull a switcheroo after it was leaked that CapAt was to become the villain.
So they compromised the story for sensationalism. Which is sort of the story of comics in the 90s.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 31 July 2003 15:58 (twenty years ago) link

Holy cow I was hardcore into comics then & I totally don't remember this happening @ all! (This I sorta remember, tho, and urp oy.)

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 31 July 2003 16:03 (twenty years ago) link

well, when I was down at my local comics shop looking for some breezy summer reading (I got Quiver, which is awesome), I noticed that the Legends series had been collected. That was the first post-Crisis crossover thing and it pretty much blew, except for leading to the creation of the Giffen/DeMatteis Justice League, though not as much as the next year's Millennium fiasco.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 31 July 2003 16:42 (twenty years ago) link

Regarding crossovers - there's _Crisis_, and there's everything else, and even _Crisis_ might be a bit much. (Nice art, tho, esp. w/ Perez getting inked by Jerry Ordway.)

BTW, Horace, if you liked _Quiver_ (the Kevin Smith Green Arrow story, right?), you might like the 6-issue Brad Melzter Green Arrow run that followed it (_The Archer's Quest_). I liked it MUCH better than Smith's GA work, actually (or the bits of _Quiver_ I read) - Mr. Smith's knack w/ dialogue (which might be overstated) doesn't translate too well onto the printed page.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 31 July 2003 16:50 (twenty years ago) link

I think what I liked about Quiver aside was that GA had missed out on the last ten years of the DCU and so had I (though in DCU time I'd really only missed about 3 or 4 years). So I identified with his confusion.
Thanks for the tip Dave.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 31 July 2003 16:54 (twenty years ago) link

Giffen Justice League = Formally Known As The Justice League (a mini out there now which proves that jokes get funnier the more you tell 'em).

Its been so successful they have signed on for another mini called "I Can't Believe Its Not The Justice League".

Pete (Pete), Friday, 1 August 2003 09:42 (twenty years ago) link

six years pass...

And on the movie front:

Warner Bros is trying to ready its DC Comics stalwart Superman to soar again on the Big Screen, and the studio has turned to Chris Nolan to mentor development of the movie. Our insiders say that the brains behind rebooted Batman has been asked to play a "godfather" role and ensure The Man Of Steel gets off the ground after a 3 1/2-year hiatus. Nolan's leadership of the project can set it in the right direction with the critics and the fans, not to mention at the box office. Besides, Nolan is considered something of a god at Warner Bros and has a strong relationship with the studio after the success of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. Though he wasn’t obligated to do so, he gave the studio first crack at his spec script Inception, and Warner Bros was able to buy it before other studios even got a sniff. While Nolan completes that Leonardo DiCaprio-starrer for a July 16th release, he's also hatched an idea for Warner Bros' third Batman installment. Now his brother and frequent collaborator Jonah Nolan, and David Goyer who co-wrote Batman Begins and penned the story for The Dark Knight, are off scripting it.

Let us emphasize that Superman 3.0 is in the early stages of development. And we doubt Nolan would direct. This wouldn't be a sequel to Superman Returns but a completely fresh franchise. As one of our insiders reassures: “It would definitely not be a followup to Superman Returns." Nolan coming on board follows a hiatus period for Superman after that 2006 reboot as the studio tried to figure out whether or not to make a sequel to that version starring Brandon Routh directed by Bryan Singer. As recently as this summer, Warner Bros was still contemplating how to proceed. We were told that "Bryan or Brandon are not completely out of it yet. But Warner Bros doesn't have a handle yet on it, either. (Producer) Jon Peters is trying to make something happen since he stands to benefit financially. But they (the studio) need to hear a great story that makes sense." Another insider explained to us, "We know what we don't want to do. But we don't know what we want to do. We learned a lot from the last movie, and we want to get it right this time."

Etc. etc.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 16:39 (fourteen years ago) link

It's a little weird that they're rebooting all of these commics franchises so soon (Hulk, Spider-Man...and Fantastic Four, from what I understand), but I think I might be okay with it from the standpoint of shit just not working the first time.

SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link

bankruptcy of ideas, plus cynical appeal to the familiar.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 9 February 2010 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Isn't it still Superman 2.0 at this point? Singer/Routh still held all the trappings if the Donner/Lester/Reeve films.

there's a better way to browse (Dr. Superman), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Hey you're the one with the doctorate, how can you not know!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 16:51 (fourteen years ago) link

(mail order)

there's a better way to browse (Dr. Superman), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Permanment Origins Issue

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Kinda with they'd reboot with Bizarro instead of Superman.

El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 16:56 (fourteen years ago) link

considering that the guy who made x-men turned out a superfilm that was too murky and overwrought, it seems ironic they'd go to the guy who made Dark Knight to rectify the situation. admittedly they're probably not thinking much beyond "the money comes out of THAT GUY" but all the same...

da croupier, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link

if they're looking for alighter tone then you'd have though favreau would have been the superheromoviemaker to go to?

quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link

if they're looking for a lighter tone, i can't imagine they'd go with nolan.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Favreau not already at the WB table.

there's a better way to browse (Dr. Superman), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link

superbad team should have a shot at the title.

or alternatively, vince vaughan playing the bad/drunk superman for an entire movie.

quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Jason Reitman, since Up in the Air is the movie I think Superman Returns was trying to be.

there's a better way to browse (Dr. Superman), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link

psyched for new superman voice

wall•egina (s1ocki), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:07 (fourteen years ago) link

lars von trier

quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:08 (fourteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

Zack Snyder is the director for this job.

No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Monday, 4 October 2010 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link

barf

cathy: ACK-er (s1ocki), Monday, 4 October 2010 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link

guess I'll be skipping this one

crude interloper of a once august profession (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 4 October 2010 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link

barf x 2

sean gramophone, Monday, 4 October 2010 23:23 (thirteen years ago) link

SUPEROWL

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 October 2010 23:46 (thirteen years ago) link

"Faster than a speeding bullet!"

*extended slow motion sequence*

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 October 2010 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link

three months pass...

hunky tudor Henry Cavill to play supes

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/celebritynews/8291749/Another-British-superhero-Henry-Cavill-to-play-Superman.html

hes a horrible actor from what i can tell

marios balls in 3d for 3ds (Princess TamTam), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link

six months pass...

A clickthrough on the bigger version confirms the suit is, well, scalloped.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 August 2011 15:18 (twelve years ago) link

looks shite

conrad, Thursday, 4 August 2011 15:25 (twelve years ago) link

I find it hard to believe this is the first Superman to radiate amber alert. But it's true.

Sean Connery dressed up like a teddy bear (R Baez), Thursday, 4 August 2011 15:45 (twelve years ago) link

I hope we find out how Superman became Superman.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 August 2011 15:48 (twelve years ago) link

He looks like Bizarro, so now I want to see the Bizarro movie instead.

online pinata store (Nicole), Thursday, 4 August 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link

There's still a little too much blue in the suit, it's not DARK and GRITTY enough. They really should have just set saturation at 0% rather than 25%.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 August 2011 16:01 (twelve years ago) link

why do they keep trying to make superman movies? nobody gives a shit about superman.

latebloomer, Thursday, 4 August 2011 16:03 (twelve years ago) link

I am still at a loss as to why the suit would be scaly. Did Ma and Pa Kent kill and skin a pack of ornery lizards and make it for him?

online pinata store (Nicole), Thursday, 4 August 2011 16:03 (twelve years ago) link

they should have made it silky and shiny

latebloomer, Thursday, 4 August 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link

(If only they would occasionally have a '*See Arrow Season 4, Episode 15' text box pop up, the experience would be complete.)

For a superlative chug, only the eggiest nog will do! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 18:28 (five years ago) link

two years pass...
eight months pass...

This was not a good movie. But Superman learning to fly was fun, and I appreciated not being asked to laugh every thirty seconds.

It's possible that my low expectations helped out. I didn't even mind Superman shouting "noooo" while disappearing into skull-quicksand.

lukas, Friday, 3 September 2021 05:19 (two years ago) link

still nothing that tops Superman destroying dick bar patron's semi-truck off-screen and then chucking it on top of a telephone pole and nobody questioning it, like sometimes you find shoes on top of telephone poles, sometimes you find wrecked semi-trucks, nothing to see here folks

Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Friday, 3 September 2021 06:01 (two years ago) link

i was genuinely surprised by how great this movie was and will be arguing about it forever i guess

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Friday, 3 September 2021 09:20 (two years ago) link

I'm on Brad's side, I find a lot of the criticism of this movie weird, as if Superman specifically is a sacrosanct character that can only be portrayed one way.

a gentle push against my Wonder Bread face (DJP), Friday, 3 September 2021 15:41 (two years ago) link

i just had a problem with Snyder's directorial style and storytelling.

Superman "killing" someone didn't really bother me so much. he should kill more people IMO

Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Friday, 3 September 2021 15:49 (two years ago) link

This is really good on that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38Cy_Qlh7VM

tsrobodo, Sunday, 5 September 2021 18:12 (two years ago) link

i did appreciate that the action sequences that looked like handheld footage from a natural disaster. And Superman and Zod punching each other at Mach 3. And Jor-El was great. There was a lot to like, I just didn't think the end worked at all.

lukas, Monday, 6 September 2021 00:08 (two years ago) link


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