"In the meantime" (no pun intended) Boulez's structures off this CD on hat art is slaying me.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 16 March 2013 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
that album is way better than any nu-metal and doesn't sound anything like limp bizkit and page of helmet was in band of susans and played with branca which is why i brought them up.
― scott seward, Saturday, 16 March 2013 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
I know he was in Band of Susans.
Helmet's sound does seem incorporated to a lot of nu-metal. I mean that's what it was reminding me off which is why I bought Limp Bizkit up even if it was a bit of a low blow.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 16 March 2013 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
earlier helmet is less slick but i think meantime is the perfection of something or other. nu-metal obviously inspired by lots of good stuff. and some bad stuff. i mean that helmet album is really the only math rock i need when it comes to the 90's. though i do own two albums by the sea and cake.
― scott seward, Saturday, 16 March 2013 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
OMG NO DON CABALLERO WHAT IS THIS?!
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 16 March 2013 16:44 (eleven years ago) link
its the only helmet album i feel the need to own. but i love it. in a way that i never loved BOS. and production and vocals on BOS records probably did have something to do with that. songwriting not a strong suit of a lot of post-whatever guitar bands. or good vocals. which i can live with usually. i dunno i'm sure if i went back and listened to band of susans i would find things to like. their records sell for a dollar here and i would pick one up if i saw one. i think i did a year or so ago but i didn't play it.
― scott seward, Saturday, 16 March 2013 16:50 (eleven years ago) link
yeah was never a don cab fan. i liked trans am though. hated the fucking champs. tortoise bored the hell out of me.
― scott seward, Saturday, 16 March 2013 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
but this is the classical thread sorry everyone!
― scott seward, Saturday, 16 March 2013 16:53 (eleven years ago) link
It is! Loving Savall and Hesperion XX's Brandenburgs right now.
― Call the Cops, Saturday, 16 March 2013 17:23 (eleven years ago) link
Oh sorry - it's Le Concert Des Nations.
― Call the Cops, Saturday, 16 March 2013 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
Reckon we should bring anything we feel its classical-related to this thread, btw.
Anyone in London going to the London Ear festival next weekend. Cello recital looks good, btw.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 16 March 2013 18:09 (eleven years ago) link
Hello, just popped by to say that Boulez's Structures are his most austere and successful work and worth listening to and studying.
I recommend listening to "The Unanswered Question" and following that up with a simultaneous listen of Mozart Clarinet Quartet and Boulez Structure for Piano 1a
― time turns all men into pies (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 16 March 2013 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
Huh, you rate those over Le Marteau? I should listen again.
Ha!
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 16 March 2013 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?video1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DxOkMZUmf1EQ&start1=0&video2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DTqqQGHSrPUI&start2=0&authorName=FAV
Stop the Boulez and start it right at the 1:25 when the violin solo starts and you'll see what I mean
― time turns all men into pies (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 16 March 2013 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
IMHO those Structures are as clear a representation of mathematical purity as the finest Mozart and hearing those two pieces simultaneously is a more successful representation of the philosophical idea that Ives sought to create intuitively
― time turns all men into pies (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 16 March 2013 18:58 (eleven years ago) link
I love those Structures *so much* and as a student went one step further and used Boulez' matrices to create MIDI clusters of varying densities to further get closer to serial perfection-- *checks hard drive*-- sadly long gone.
― time turns all men into pies (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 16 March 2013 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
:(
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 16 March 2013 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
Hello, just popped by to say that Boulez's Structures are his most austere and successful work and worth listening to and studying./
They aren't talked about as much as the sonatas are they? It is said iirc that Boulez relaxed a bit and all I'm thinking is why would you want to relax from this?!
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 17 March 2013 09:57 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?video1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D3kM1khne_sg&start1=&video2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DFIo15gWMheA&start2=&authorName=FAV
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 24 March 2013 09:21 (eleven years ago) link
^work in progress
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 24 March 2013 09:23 (eleven years ago) link
I love it!! Yeah I can see why Boulez would want to relax, composing in that style is some heavy number crunching
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 24 March 2013 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
After coming across an excellent overview of Kagel's works from the 80s and 90s I thought I'd devote to hunt some more down as I've had real problems with anything he's written after the mid-70s.
The Trio for Violin, Cello and Piano (85 - 92) is really tough, like his work based on Bach's life I am hearing a distorted quotation but because my understanding of what he is quoting doesn't work at the depth Kagel put into it large sections and their meanings may only become intelligible to people who are really in the know. But then what if I was to do the work? Someone is always shut out. I need to re-hear that one, see if I can get something else (or more) out of it.
"Rrrrrrr...." is p/good though. There is always that cathedral like association but the riffs come across as a circus act and their arrangement points to a computerized treatment at times.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 29 March 2013 15:21 (ten years ago) link
I am absolutely delighted to note that a CD devoted to Kurtag's excruciatingly beautiful piano duo Bach transcriptions has been released. The performers are the Yin-Yang Piano Duo. It has 17 of the transcriptions interspersed with Bartok piano duo works. It's on Spotify, go wallow and prosper.
― Jeff "Skink" Baxter (Jon Lewis), Friday, 29 March 2013 15:30 (ten years ago) link
In other news, since I can now only listen to mono-era piano recordings if I want to avoid aggravating my tinnitus, I have been hunting high and low for mono era Schubert Sonata performances. This was pretty rare repertoire in that era. Especially when it comes to my favorite, the Sonata D 894. Does anyone itt happen to have an old Dante CD of Gieseking playing that sonata?
― Jeff "Skink" Baxter (Jon Lewis), Friday, 29 March 2013 15:32 (ten years ago) link
Since it's Good Friday, I've just heard Passio by Arvo Pärt. The ending gets me every time.
― Frederik B, Friday, 29 March 2013 21:10 (ten years ago) link
Do you know current favourite micropolyphonic composer Ezra Sims?
hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP6-sFdYsQs
― a source of "vegelate" (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 1 April 2013 13:42 (ten years ago) link
I didn't but that sounds good. Thanks for the tip.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 1 April 2013 14:48 (ten years ago) link
I got a haul of CRI records I'm gonna work through, pick the hits
― a source of "vegelate" (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 1 April 2013 15:03 (ten years ago) link
Ives Plays Ives! Viola In My Life! All Harrison and Partch! Gay American Composers series!
― Call the Cops, Monday, 1 April 2013 19:56 (ten years ago) link
Listening to:
Brian Ferneyhough - Transit. Real cracker from the 70s golden age of nu-complexity.Chris Dench - enonce and afterimages. Two amazing pieces for ensemble, the former has these shiny solos that creep up from the murk. Feels like an exploration, a real adventure.
Going to:
Kagel and Ives at the Forge
Ferneyhough and Dillon and Bartok and Friends on the 27th (yay for amazing free gigs)
Reading:
The Jakob Ullmann cover story in the Wire (first issue I bought in at least a year). Nothing too relevatory, but love A Catalogue of Sounds - a mix of backstory of a composer in East Germany fighting to get his music heard at all (fighting allegations he was a collaborator post-Berlin wall), but what he is actually doing is totally in line w/ Wandelweiser types. A thing that goes unmentioned. There were questions of, you know, if you want to use bits of sounds to structure the noises you hear outside then the implication is that you won't need the music anymore surely?
And this crazy interview w/James Dillon
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 6 April 2013 10:48 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUJtc0lJMoo
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Thursday, 11 April 2013 03:27 (ten years ago) link
saw the emersons play janacek's 2nd sq, lyric suite and verklärte nacht tonight — great program!
― pea hen (clouds), Thursday, 11 April 2013 03:59 (ten years ago) link
that does sound rather excellent
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Thursday, 11 April 2013 19:18 (ten years ago) link
unfortunately i wasn't in the right frame of mind to enjoy it properly but it was definitely worthwhile
― pea hen (clouds), Thursday, 11 April 2013 19:45 (ten years ago) link
RIP Sir Colin Davis =(
― Call the Cops, Monday, 15 April 2013 06:52 (ten years ago) link
indeed, one of the best interpreters of berlioz in recording history
― clouds, Monday, 15 April 2013 13:03 (ten years ago) link
oh wow. Huge presence, RIP indeed.
― not feeling those lighters (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 15 April 2013 13:13 (ten years ago) link
Classic for his old Philips traversals of Sibelius and Berlioz alone. I got to see him twice in all-Sibelius programs in the 00s and will always remember the power he conjured up.
― brad palsy (Jon Lewis), Monday, 15 April 2013 13:54 (ten years ago) link
carl nielsen
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 16:44 (ten years ago) link
i remember listening to the helios overture on radio 3 during a period of insomnia in early 2008 and now i feel inclined to listen to it for the first time since then
are there any advocates here? thinking c0rey because he loves those nordic composers
jon, i suspect, given his proclivities
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 16:46 (ten years ago) link
nielsen is fantastic. he probably gets short shrift bc his music is not as "difficult" as the more modernist of his contemporaries or as easy to enjoy as the more grandiose symphonists, but his music, esp the syms have the feeling of an extremely logical construction. his later music gets quite strange -- sparser, clipped, just within the bounds of tonality.
― clouds, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 19:33 (ten years ago) link
Symphonies 4 and 5 are as good as any music I know. The Aladdin suite has some amazing stuff in it, like the movement where he has multiple village bands playing at once (before he could have known what Ives was up to). The 6th symphony is deeply warped. Nielsen rocked.
― brad palsy (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 00:10 (ten years ago) link
So, no discussion of Caroline Shaw's "Passacaglia", which won the Pulitzer a few days ago?: http://www.npr.org/blogs/deceptivecadence/2013/04/15/177348405/caroline-shaw-30-wins-pulitzer-for-music
I'm listening to the Roomful of Teeth recording available for streaming via Naxos Music Library. It sounds excellent, much better than that Youtube. This is a very nice piece, rich in timbral and textural variation, concisely and attractively structured, and something that I can actually put on often.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 18 April 2013 18:55 (ten years ago) link
Wow, just noticed she beat out Aaron Jay Kernis and Wadada Leo Smith!
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 18 April 2013 18:57 (ten years ago) link
I've got to admit, though, I never really know what the criteria are for things like this. This piece is, as I said, very pleasant and listenable and well-crafted, but it's not necessarily exceptionally innovative or hugely ambitious. I haven't listened to the runners-up.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 19 April 2013 16:43 (ten years ago) link
you've pretty much described all american contemporary classical music that gets any kind of acclaim
― love's secret borad (clouds), Friday, 19 April 2013 16:50 (ten years ago) link
Really digging
Trying to find the rest now - that track is amazing.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 19 April 2013 21:17 (ten years ago) link
Liking this album by Nadia Sirota a lot. American viola player overdubbing herself, covering Nico Muhly, Missy Mazzolli, and others...
― @GracieLoPan #fyi (Display Name (this cannot be changed):), Friday, 19 April 2013 21:35 (ten years ago) link
This week I'm finally getting a breakthrough into the Baroque, courtesy of avant-garde oboist Heinz Holliger: his set of Zelenka's Tri Sonatas on ECM ae amazing. Its all witty with plenty of dances and extravagancies, without being in any overbearing. Not sure how he manages this, and I won't start to ask questions now.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 26 April 2013 21:59 (ten years ago) link
Trio Sonatas
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 26 April 2013 22:01 (ten years ago) link