GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

pretty sure i've never seen rape portrayed that way on television though i have certainly had it explained to me that way
i imagine there's gonna be a lot of screaming about this episode

wait did I space out? was Shosh getting raped? Oh shit it's Sunday, dammit, spoilers. :(

ohhhh god Marnie singing oh god

^innocuous things that make me irrationally embarrassed

that was harrowing
adam just looked so hunted. from the very first moment in that first scene in her bedroom. fuuuuck that scene with the new girl oh that was hard to watch
but
like i felt weirdly ..sorry...? for both of them. for the whole situation.
and hannah wow
this show is really fucking with me. i like it. this is some hardcore stuff.

this show really has been fucking with me these last few weeks

yeah, jesus christ

not sure how to process this

god these people were so fucked up all along, weren't they. Just forgot for a little while.

Time for a Bob's Burgers chaser or I'll never get to sleep.

marnie singing was incredible

marnie doing stronger, icant

i've tried several times to coherently articulate what i think about that last sex scene but i'm not too sure that i can

I think my comparisons of this show to Workaholics are not holding up.

lol yeah

i never thought I'd see the girl from roswell covered in cum but there you have it

I turned it off when Marnie took the mic. Sounds like shit got crazy from there.

what was the song she sang?

A weird cover of Kanye's "Stronger" but with mostly new lyrics.

I didn't think she changed many of the lyrics? except for "white kate moss" (lol)

dude lecturing shosh on going out to eat was hilarious.

I missed the last two episodes. Watching ep 08 right now, still pretty good. Kinda weird that this OCD stuff is turning up in S02E08 but okay whatever dude. I can go w it. Maybe the pressure is getting to Hannah.

Like, for someone in Hannah's position, who wants to EXPERIENCE EVERYTHING and stuff, dabbling in OCD is just another experience to experiment with.

That scene w Ray & Marnie SO GOOD. Magician's assistant LOL.

on the wrong track there. its done as pretty longstanding and harrowing. it does feel artificial tho.

(wrt ocd)

Good take:
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/exhibitionist/2013/03/girls_episode_9_season_2_tackl.php

Yeah, that pretty much hits all the points that were on my mind after that ep.

I was cringing horribly at the q tip scenes.

as soon as she started using it i couldn't get this horrifying yelp out of my head:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONvpWa-8moY

jesus,that ad!

I want that wax vac!

Idk, I think the OCD is portrayed pretty realistically. I do agree that it coming on so strong out of nowhere this late in the game did make it seem tacked-on, but tbf a lot of people do experience symptoms in waves & in response to triggers. Still, it would've been better if there had been some intimations of it (only one I can think of is dad at beginning of the series worrying that she's always been so anxious) beyond just general neurosis.

Also can't believe Charlie would bone Marnie after that atrocity.

i am catching up after missing a few eps and holy crap frank's butt hair

Wait, who's Frank? You think I would remember a hairy bum

for me butt hair - hair that's parted in the middle on a guy

ty for clarifying

it looks like a butt

yeah I agree that Hannah's ocd could have been hinted at, but I find her portrayal pretty realistic too. not really based on any personal experience, it just 'feels' kind of right somehow.

I had a vague memory of Hannah's OCD coming up in her big argument with Marnie, and I was right! "You've been crazy since middle school, when you had to masturbate eight times a night to 'stave off diseases of the mind and body'." Also, this argument is interesting having seen Marnie's trajectory this season. Also, INTENSE.

good recollection Merdeyeux.

Good take:
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/exhibitionist/2013/03/girls_episode_9_season_2_tackl.php

― your fretless ways (Eazy), Monday, March 11, 2013 11:02 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I am kind of o_O at this blog post's "this wasn't quite rape" thesis.

Haven't read post yet ^, but was about to post on here, and I might (deservingly) catch holy hell for this, but I'm not sure it was rape? I need to rewatch the scene. She was not into it & he knew that, but she didn't explicitly withdraw consent. This is something I need to define for myself moreso than to anyone on the board, because lord knows I've been in some gray areas like that.

that is the entire point of the scene

Unrelated: I have really enjoyed Marnie's flailing in this season in light of what a pretentious snot she was in the 1st season. Even though Hannah is also falling apart, she's the one who actually is closer to the kind of success Marnie wants so desperately.

I also loved the way Ray smiled at Shosh after her psuedo-confession.

(Fictional thing, so should be referring to events in present tense? oh well)

Yeah, I get that was the point, so why do I feel like I'm sticking my neck out saying I'm not sure if I would consider it rape?

(I also think there were other points to the scene--Adam's vulnerability and how he deals with it, but no one is really crying for Adam today)

i think it's worth making the distinction between something that constitutes criminality and, you know, "legal" culpability and just being really (intentionally, in this case) shitty and evil and abusive without making *any* concessions or excuses for the latter.

i mean it's classic taking advantage of presumed trust and intimacy in order to humiliate kinda stuff.

He went from someone who has murky boundaries to someone with very particular, articulated boundaries

Trying to think back, but there were definitely some times where Hannah was not happy with what was going down sexually, but she went with it for the sake of "gathering experience" & also because it's harder to tell if you're being violated when you haven't really defined your own boundaries to yourself. I think the accumulation of those experiences, though, made her much firmer when he was showing up at her apt and shit.

The very first scene is him in her butt without consent, no?

her mother is gonna be pissed

that whole phonecall to her parents with her mom shouting NOTHING SMALLER THAN YOUR ELBOW SHOULD GO IN YOUR EAR HANNAH made me lol

#classicparents