GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

Shosh is great -- I think her incredible word-vomit is part of her charm. As if she's afraid to get feedback so she's just filling the void as much as she can, as quickly as she can. But also, like at the party, wounded when she realizes it's too much for ppl. I find it kind of adorable and hilarious now.

Hannah's facial tics and just general physicality seemed so real, I really was moved by the level of detail of that characterization

The point of Shosh (I love the character, actually) is that every pricey liberal arts college has about ten of her and the other 990 students are like 'what the fuck is she doing here?'. Mind, there are about 50 Jessas per thousand (possibly more at Brown) and they are totally irresistible to impressionable Midwesterners (hello, Hannah) because they are a) never that available and b) naturally mind-blowingly boho (the only time I felt they got Jessa wrong is when they had her and crazy dad pronouncing Ibiza 'eye-beeza').

Marnie will eventually get a good job in PR, like all thin girls who don't know enough about art.

my 5yo drew a picture of Lena Dunham

:)

i love that!

ahhh amazing

Forbid exists for gmail i think

Shoshanna is a great character and almost impossible for me to like, I wouldn't last five minutes in a room alone with her.

Want to defend Marnie as not materialistic/status-obsessed etc., the scene at the startup didn't play as her glomming on to the money train, but I may be blinded by Alison Williams being v. v. pretty and not a terrible singer.

Part of me wonders if Marnie showing up to Charlie's office was in the hopes of seeing something low-level and quaint and her being able to say 'Awwww good for YOU' and feel superior. Like she didn't BELIEVE that 'someone like Charlie' could be successful in a way that she'd hoped for herself above everyone because she 'deserves' it

too many airquotes

apologies to Ray

Shoshanna is a great character and almost impossible for me to like, I wouldn't last five minutes in a room alone with her.

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, March 5, 2013 4:40 PM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wouldnt last five minutes huh, you must dislike her a lot

I think that's exactly why she showed up xpost

http://www.nerve.com/advice/sex-advice-from/sex-advice-from-alex-karpovsky

Here's Ray with some...interesting ideas about gender relations

The whole thing just seems SO self-indulgent. Seinfeld stars a comedian named Jerry Seinfeld who plays a comedian named Jerry. Wow. Really, Jerry? He also created the show and writes it. It’s like he can’t give up control of anything.

Sometimes it seems like he’s just using this show as an excuse to play out his fantasies, y’know? Every show opens with him performing stand-up to a great crowd that loves every one of his jokes. And he’s constantly having sex with these beautiful women. Like, WAY too beautiful for a schlubby guy like Jerry. Even George, who’s like short and fat, and Kramer, who’s just kind of gross, both also have sex with these beautiful women. It’s like, yeah, okay, Jerry. I guess enjoy the dream while you can.

He really seems to think he’s funny. Do you think he’s funny? I don’t think he’s funny. Like, the critics say it’s a funny show, but the comedy is kind of weird. And nothing ever HAPPENS. It’s just these privileged white people (and I mean, they’re ALL white) living their lives in New York. The only non-white characters are wacky immigrant cab drivers and soup vendors. Oh, hilarious: they can’t speak English well — what’s so groundbreaking about that?

And are we supposed to LIKE these characters? I know you say that part of the humor is seeing yourself reflected in these characters, but none of them are good people. They’re selfish, petty, narcissists. They’re constantly talking about themselves while treating other people like garbage. They claim to be friends, yet they do absolutely horrible things to each other. Are we supposed to see ourselves in this? That seems kind of twisted to me.

Did you know there’s an episode called “The Contest” that’s all about masturbation? And one called “The Apology” that’s about Jerry being casually naked around the apartment with his girlfriend. I know they’re trying to be edgy, but honestly it’s boring. Like, wow, an ugly guy doing things I’m used to seeing hot guys do. Great. It’s not funny; it’s just off-putting. And have you seen the stuff Jerry wears? He’s got big white sneakers and tight jeans – not flattering at all.

Also, did you know Julia Louis-Dreyfus is the daughter of the billionaire Gerard Louis-Dreyfus. It seems a little disingenuous to cast her as personal assistant when she’s probably never had to work a day in her life.

And speaking of never working a day, what’s up with Kramer? He doesn’t seem to have a job and yet somehow he can live by himself in a giant high-rise Manhattan apartment. Are we to assume that his parents are giving him money? Is all this someone’s New York experience? Because it sure ain’t mine!

http://www.collegehumor.com/article/6874239/if-people-talked-about-seinfeld-like-they-talk-about-girls

that's funny but takings its point seriously: there, indeed, was a bunch of whining about Seinfeld and "Friends'"'s unrealistic Caucasian world back in the benighted 1990s. there jut wasn't so much resentment about that.

I imagine the reasons "Girls" gets more flak (and keep in mind I haven't seen the show) is because Dunham's precociousness stirs up a lot of resentment and envy from people in their 20s and 30s. Seinfeld was in his 30s and had done stand-up for years, all things being equal people thought he had paid his dues and if he got a break it was deserved. "Friends" wasn't created or written by the actors in it, so you didn't have auteur and authorship angle, which allowed us to talk about things that were of greater concern like Aniston's innovative hair or how cool it was that the girl with short hair from that Bruce Springsteen video was now on a hit show. and in a sad economy shows about people goofing off in a Relevant City and wasting their opportunities probably isn't as appealing as it was back then, maybe.

"Girls" is sort of like the Vampire Weekend circa 2008 of television in that you don't have to engage with it to enjoy talking about it or the backlash surrounding it.

"Girls" also gets a lot of flak because of misogyny.

tbf seinfeld does suck

Girls gets some flak for the same reason Lost In Translation did - when someone is perceived as being overly privileged (as Lena Dunham is and to some some extent the world of Girls), people care less about their petty problems.

Literally anyone making a television show is overly privileged

Man, Seinfeld does not suck

anti-bad company backlash going strong 40 years later

tbf they were horrible company

Pretty much all of those criticisms WERE leveled at Seinfeld. And trying to figure out the logic in Kramer is really missing the point.

Difficult watch but a good episode.

holy fuck the whole bit with adam and the new girl and hannah was so ugly and honest and terrible
i am really starting to appreciate it when dunham writes; you can totally tell where her voice is at

pretty sure i've never seen rape portrayed that way on television though i have certainly had it explained to me that way
i imagine there's gonna be a lot of screaming about this episode

wait did I space out? was Shosh getting raped? Oh shit it's Sunday, dammit, spoilers. :(

ohhhh god Marnie singing oh god

^innocuous things that make me irrationally embarrassed

that was harrowing
adam just looked so hunted. from the very first moment in that first scene in her bedroom. fuuuuck that scene with the new girl oh that was hard to watch
but
like i felt weirdly ..sorry...? for both of them. for the whole situation.
and hannah wow
this show is really fucking with me. i like it. this is some hardcore stuff.

this show really has been fucking with me these last few weeks

yeah, jesus christ

not sure how to process this

god these people were so fucked up all along, weren't they. Just forgot for a little while.

Time for a Bob's Burgers chaser or I'll never get to sleep.

marnie singing was incredible

marnie doing stronger, icant

i've tried several times to coherently articulate what i think about that last sex scene but i'm not too sure that i can

I think my comparisons of this show to Workaholics are not holding up.

lol yeah

i never thought I'd see the girl from roswell covered in cum but there you have it

I turned it off when Marnie took the mic. Sounds like shit got crazy from there.

what was the song she sang?

A weird cover of Kanye's "Stronger" but with mostly new lyrics.

I didn't think she changed many of the lyrics? except for "white kate moss" (lol)

dude lecturing shosh on going out to eat was hilarious.

I missed the last two episodes. Watching ep 08 right now, still pretty good. Kinda weird that this OCD stuff is turning up in S02E08 but okay whatever dude. I can go w it. Maybe the pressure is getting to Hannah.

Like, for someone in Hannah's position, who wants to EXPERIENCE EVERYTHING and stuff, dabbling in OCD is just another experience to experiment with.

That scene w Ray & Marnie SO GOOD. Magician's assistant LOL.