Mike Trout needs his own thread

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If B-R numbers are right, it doesn't look like recent Rookies of the Year have gotten massive bumps in their next season.

I don't know that throwing him an extra $500k this season buys any more loyalty when the time comes for his $200mn contract in a few seasons.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 4 March 2013 17:31 (seven years ago) link

scratch that - http://mlb.sbnation.com/2013/3/4/4062060/mike-trout-salary-los-angeles-angels

increases were quite a bit larger, just not in raw $$$

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 4 March 2013 17:35 (seven years ago) link

i'm sure he'll do v. well in arbitration and that he'll go wherever the money is when he's a free agent. if the angels had a policy of paying ppl the absolute minimum they had to, then fine. the extra $20k is weird tho.

it's obviously in trout's best interests to play hard and everything. it just seems like a bit more might be warranted in an effort to keep your best player happy and feeling valued.

mookieproof, Monday, 4 March 2013 17:55 (seven years ago) link

http://www.billjamesonline.com/mike_trout_runs__games/

The record that Mike Trout could threaten is the post-WWII tally for runs scored: 152, collected by Jeff Bagwell in 2000. And Trout could be the first player to score more runs than games played since Rickey Henderson accomplished the feat in 1985.

My first bold prediction for 2013? That he does one or the other. Mike Trout with either score 152+ runs in 2013, or he’ll score more runs than games played.

clemenza, Sunday, 17 March 2013 20:03 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

jeez, look at the way he rounds first in that second clip. amazing.

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Friday, 5 April 2013 13:29 (six years ago) link

Bonifacio gif linked in the comments is actually an even crazier looking play.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Friday, 5 April 2013 14:37 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

i posted that in the angels thread the other day :(

it is strange how the advanced metrics have him as a minus fielder so far this year after being a stellar LF last year

k3vin k., Sunday, 2 June 2013 15:11 (six years ago) link

B-R has him -9 runs in the field so far!

k3vin k., Sunday, 2 June 2013 18:01 (six years ago) link

i meant to say OF in the previous post btw, he played left and center iirc

k3vin k., Sunday, 2 June 2013 18:38 (six years ago) link

it is strange how the advanced metrics have him as a minus fielder so far this year after being a stellar LF last year

― k3vin k., Sunday, June 2, 2013 11:11 AM (6 days ago)

An attempt to break this down:

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/36800/why-are-trouts-defensive-numbers-so-bad

Conclusion: don't expect it to last.

clemenza, Saturday, 8 June 2013 10:53 (six years ago) link

thanks, i was just about to ask if anything's been written about that!

k3vin k., Wednesday, 12 June 2013 12:28 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

75mph changeup = line-drive HR to left

playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 June 2013 23:52 (six years ago) link

four hits today

mookieproof, Thursday, 27 June 2013 20:14 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Noticed that he's almost exactly where he was last year in terms of basic slash stats:

2012 -- .326/.399/.564
2013 -- .320/.399/.560

His HR and SB are down a little, 2B and 3B way up.

clemenza, Friday, 12 July 2013 13:23 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

why is there no youtube compilation of mike trout triples?

k3vin k., Sunday, 28 July 2013 11:28 (six years ago) link

4-4 with 2 walks last night, up to .331/.412/.568 and leads fWAR by 0.4 wins

k3vin k., Thursday, 1 August 2013 10:44 (six years ago) link

18 walks in his last 10 games

k3vin k., Tuesday, 6 August 2013 07:39 (six years ago) link

David Cameron @DCameronFG
Through age-21 season, by wRC+, Mike Trout is the best hitter of all time, edging out Foxx and Williams.

David Cameron @DCameronFG
That's just hitting. No baserunning, no fielding, just hitting. Trout has been better than Ted Williams at hitting.

mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 18:29 (six years ago) link

seeing him play next week

k3vin k., Thursday, 8 August 2013 00:59 (six years ago) link

I saw him before his rookie year! Batting ninth!

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ANA/ANA201107090.shtml

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 August 2013 01:45 (six years ago) link

...

mookieproof, Thursday, 8 August 2013 02:30 (six years ago) link

Two-run homer first time up tonight. If it weren't for that (still weird) -1.4 defensive number, he'd probably be on his way to about a 12.0 WAR for the year.

clemenza, Thursday, 8 August 2013 02:35 (six years ago) link

Angels have to be trying to lock him up for like decade.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 August 2013 02:55 (six years ago) link

Two-run homer first time up tonight. If it weren't for that (still weird) -1.4 defensive number, he'd probably be on his way to about a 12.0 WAR for the year.

― clemenza, Wednesday, August 7, 2013 10:35 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fangraphs is much kinder, but even they have him as a neutral defender rather than a huge minus.

anyway OPS above 1.000 now - .333/.424/.580

k3vin k., Thursday, 8 August 2013 08:25 (six years ago) link

just turned 22 yesterday btw

k3vin k., Thursday, 8 August 2013 08:34 (six years ago) link

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/happy-22nd-birthday-mike-trout-2/

re: mookie's post. look at that list. nothing but inner-circle guys

k3vin k., Thursday, 8 August 2013 08:40 (six years ago) link

I wonder if the guy mistakenly left A-Rod off the list. Baseball Reference has him at 14.3 through age 21, which would safely put him on there. Is there that much difference between the two methods?

Just to be annoyingly nitpicky, I'm not sure I'd call Arky Vaughan inner-circle. On the merits, maybe, although his numbers were mostly compiled in the '30s. In the popular imagination, no. He's just not that famous.

clemenza, Thursday, 8 August 2013 12:43 (six years ago) link

he was one of Nixon's all-time shortstops!

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 August 2013 12:47 (six years ago) link

"Goddamit, Bob, I don't care about the Negro in Chicago or those two guys from Jew York City--give me Arky Vaughan."

clemenza, Thursday, 8 August 2013 13:01 (six years ago) link

the list is sorted by wRC+ - i'm not sure how to calculate that but a-rod's might not have been above vaughn's 131 if you count his first two full seasons plus his assorted call-ups prior to that

k3vin k., Thursday, 8 August 2013 13:02 (six years ago) link

this was a really great read:
http://thelinedrive.com/2012/09/19/the-day-i-pegged-mike-trout/

frogbs, Thursday, 8 August 2013 13:18 (six years ago) link

Not the best time for A-Rod testimonials, but when I was checking his numbers, I'd forgotten he only played 146 games in his sort-of-rookie season. Not nearly as abbreviated as Trout's 2012, but if you give back even 10 of those 16 missing games, he almost surely would have had 400 total bases (379 for the year).

clemenza, Thursday, 8 August 2013 13:27 (six years ago) link

Similar to the Fangraphs piece above, but ranked by WAR, so A-Rod's high. The inner-circleness holds until #12, where Vada Pinson shows up. (Pinson's prolonged drift into retirement at age 36 has always fascinated me.)

http://mlb.si.com/2013/08/08/mike-trout-birthday-angels/

clemenza, Friday, 9 August 2013 22:16 (six years ago) link

trout somehow just leapfrogged everyone else and now leads the league in bWAR?

k3vin k., Saturday, 10 August 2013 13:16 (six years ago) link

hm, looks like he's gone from -1.5 dWAR to -1.1 over the past week. robbing that home run a couple nights ago probably helped

k3vin k., Saturday, 10 August 2013 13:17 (six years ago) link

Is there a good explanation for the over 3 dWAR swing between last year and this year? Is Trout really not making that many plays this year that your replacement level player would (and that he did last year)?

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 10 August 2013 13:35 (six years ago) link

I think the 2.1 dWAR from last year is actually wackier than the minus 1.1 from this year.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 10 August 2013 13:38 (six years ago) link

there have been a few articles about it - it basically boils down to the fact that he had like 4 incredible home run robs in like 5 months last year and, until yesterday, had none so far this year. it is pretty suspect that his dWAR numbers are so bad (at least on b-r) given his speed. fangraphs had him as a neutral defender up until a couple days ago

k3vin k., Saturday, 10 August 2013 13:51 (six years ago) link

So robbing a home run = a 1/4 of a win? That seems more suspect to me than his dWAR #s this year since I thought one win basically boiled down to 10 runs above replacement.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 10 August 2013 13:59 (six years ago) link

Actually even more than a 1/4 since that was an explanation for a nearly 4 dWAR swing.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 10 August 2013 14:03 (six years ago) link

I love the idea of defensive metrics like WAR but swings like this are a lot harder to understand than their offensive counterparts.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 10 August 2013 14:05 (six years ago) link

I've been following Trout and Cabrera on Baseball Reference, and here's something I don't quite understand. I knew, once Trout got hot (and especially with Cabrera missing games), it was only a matter of time before Trout moved to the top of the list. Today seems like an odd day for it to happen, though Yesterday, Cabrera was up 6.2 to 6.1; this morning, it's Trout 6.4, Cabrera 6.2.

Trout had an okay game yesterday: 0-2, but he drew two walks and stole two bases. Cabrera was 2-5 with (as you may have read) a home run--no extra credit for the who and when of the latter, but still. Neither guy made an error. Putouts, assists, or great plays, I don't know.

I know it's all context-driven, but based on that, how did Trout move up three-tenths of a game, and Cabrera only one-tenth? Maybe Baseball Reference is a day behind on their WAR calculations, but I don't think so.

clemenza, Saturday, 10 August 2013 14:48 (six years ago) link

yeah it's puzzling. like i said it looks like trout's gain was on the defensive side, where he went from -1.4 to -1.1 (i think overnight) - but that must be from the robbed home run, i'd have thought

k3vin k., Saturday, 10 August 2013 15:28 (six years ago) link

trout's defensive numbers this year are also lower because he's been playing more LF than he did in 2012 so he's working against stricter positional adjustments

J0rdan S., Saturday, 10 August 2013 15:33 (six years ago) link

WAR's positional, right? You're x number of games above the current replacement level at your position, as measured against everybody else playing the same spot? I sometimes wonder if a hidden contributing factor might be--in the case of these two guys--that, as a group, third basemen had a better night last night than center fielders. Sounds bizarre, I know, but I'm trying to understand how Trout makes up ground on Cabrera last night. (If Trout's great catch was the night before, presumably that had already been figured in prior to today's calculations.)

clemenza, Saturday, 10 August 2013 15:43 (six years ago) link

i think that the positional baselines for WAR are fixed and not based on how other players at the same position do on a night-to-night basis

i could be wrong tho

J0rdan S., Saturday, 10 August 2013 15:44 (six years ago) link

the catch wasn't even all that great tbh, but that's all i can think of that would cause that swing

sarge what do you mean by that? he played some LF early in the year, but aren't LFers theoretically less skilled than CFers? if anything on the defensive side that should have helped him?

k3vin k., Saturday, 10 August 2013 15:47 (six years ago) link

Forgot Hornsby yikes!

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:03 (eight months ago) link

i suspect ruth's pitching was more valuable than hornsby's defense

mookieproof, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:14 (eight months ago) link

Hitting and pitching didn’t happen much at the same time that being said (iirc)

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 02:26 (eight months ago) link

Within 0.1 of Bellinger on Baseball Reference's WAR leader board. I know the season doesn't really start for some until he takes over the #1 spot, so Opening Day is imminent.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2019-batting-leaders.shtml

clemenza, Sunday, 28 July 2019 14:28 (eight months ago) link

happy 28th

1173 G, 1301 H, 278 HR, 198 SB, .306/.419/.582, 176 OPS+, 71.7 bWAR, 72.9 fWAR

mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 13:15 (seven months ago) link

Penciled him in for 12 more HR this year and tried the Favourite Toy calculator: 14% chance at 763 HR. Which is probably a little light, seeing as his HR rate may continue to climb for another two or three seasons.

clemenza, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 13:47 (seven months ago) link

Mike Trout is now tied with Derek Jeter in career WAR via both FanGraphs and Baseball Reference. pic.twitter.com/OC6vat7vQY

— Lindsey Adler (@lindseyadler) August 18, 2019

mookieproof, Sunday, 18 August 2019 22:52 (seven months ago) link

Mike Trout just hit a baseball so far that Fox Sports West had the home run graphic up before the ball even landed. pic.twitter.com/dgSw1xALT6

— Fabian Ardaya (@FabianArdaya) September 4, 2019

mookieproof, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 02:24 (seven months ago) link

.@MikeTrout, BIG FLY. 😱 pic.twitter.com/aWex1Ximr5

— MLB (@MLB) September 5, 2019

mookieproof, Thursday, 5 September 2019 20:24 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

semi-doppelganger MIKE FISH, discussed on EW podcast yesterday

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=fish--000mic

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 12:55 (four months ago) link

me: i want mike trout
mom: we have mike trout at home
at home:

I'm a board man. Board man gets paid (Will M.), Friday, 15 November 2019 02:36 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

Trevor Bauer tells me Mike Trout has an exemption from the league for therapeutic HGH for thyroid issue, and that players know this and generally don't care-- says there's a whole complicated process to qualify for such an exemption from MLB.

— Daniel Roberts (@readDanwrite) January 17, 2020


can't handle everything going on this offseason

fwiw he tweeted yesterday that he hadn't heard anything about trout specifically
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOgrTA4XsAIZkZd.jpg

℺☽⋠⏎ (✖), Friday, 17 January 2020 20:54 (two months ago) link

it'll be annoying if this ends up being a thing that follows trout everywhere

i know he had a thyroid issue before his rookie year that needed treatment, so if his exemption goes that far back i imagine it's legit and not "MLB protecting its best player"

℺☽⋠⏎ (✖), Friday, 17 January 2020 20:57 (two months ago) link

this really brings out the whole pro sports dumpster igniters

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 January 2020 21:06 (two months ago) link

Yikes. This is a chicken/egg slippery slope as PED abuse is aligned with thyroid issues, see Jason Giambi circa 2004.

Also reminscent of theories of Lance Armstrong's early career testicular cancer being a byproduct of his first doping programs and his numerous subsequent TUEs allowed as he was a survivor.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 17 January 2020 21:10 (two months ago) link

:(

stop it, world

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 17 January 2020 22:12 (two months ago) link

can’t think of a reason someone would need growth hormone for a thyroid issue...??

k3vin k., Saturday, 18 January 2020 00:24 (two months ago) link

will carroll tweeted that thyroid issues aren't even covered by TUEs

bauer's friend tweeted this and then deleted both tweets:

Update: Bauer now, through his P.R. people, tells us that he said or meant to say that "IF" Trout has this exemption, he has a league-approved medical exemption. Bauer clarifies that he doesn't know whether Trout has one or not.

and then:

MLB and the MLBPA jointly released the following statement saying no player has ever received an exception for HGH under the current program.

Basically, statements about Mike Trout using HGH and having an exemption for it are false. pic.twitter.com/EaND5zfC1n

— Kyle Glaser (@KyleAGlaser) January 17, 2020

℺☽⋠⏎ (✖), Saturday, 18 January 2020 01:24 (two months ago) link

Lol I think he was maybe just repeating something that Scott Brosius’ kid tweeted yesterday.

omar little, Saturday, 18 January 2020 01:33 (two months ago) link

dang, didn't baseball twitter just get sonned by someone claiming to be beltran's niece, like yesterday?

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Saturday, 18 January 2020 01:46 (two months ago) link

yo is it true baseball twitter got sonned by a alleged burner account after a mlb beef??????

Andy K, Saturday, 18 January 2020 02:47 (two months ago) link

beltran's niece actually turned out to be the burner of annoying twitter person IncarceratedBob

do keep up everyone, this is all very important

℺☽⋠⏎ (✖), Saturday, 18 January 2020 03:48 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...

One of the cooler things Mike Trout does every year: instead of having his Millville HS number retired, he comes back and gives it to the new captains every year. https://t.co/iNbhQOqIMA

— Fabian Ardaya (@FabianArdaya) February 6, 2020

mookieproof, Thursday, 6 February 2020 20:59 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

Mike Trout hitting rockets isn’t exclusive to the baseball field. pic.twitter.com/tuEyIzxqQ5

— Los Angeles Angels (@Angels) March 2, 2020

mookieproof, Monday, 2 March 2020 15:26 (one month ago) link

absolute liftoff

k3vin k., Monday, 2 March 2020 22:55 (one month ago) link


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