this fucking guy
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 25 February 2013 14:21 (eleven years ago) link
I wish I could vote for the actual best part of this, which is this:
Cornell and Thayil are settling back with a couple of beers when Billy Corgan from Smashing Pumpkins wanders through, and decides to join them for a strawberry margarita.
― :C (crüt), Monday, 25 February 2013 14:22 (eleven years ago) link
Aha! A Virgo. You're argumentative.
'Cuz I'm a Virgo and I'm argumentative.
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Monday, 25 February 2013 14:32 (eleven years ago) link
Curt otm.
Although my favorite all time Billy moment is him dressing up in a clown costume onstage because he was butthurt over a bad review in Melody Maker.
― Ulna (Nicole), Monday, 25 February 2013 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
What's so amazing is that this is what Corgan was like early in his career, a good many years before any other number of insufferable transgressions.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 February 2013 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
He was insufferable right off the bat.
― Ulna (Nicole), Monday, 25 February 2013 14:42 (eleven years ago) link
totally insufferable nightmare
otoh, "Rhinoceros" and "Bury Me"
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Monday, 25 February 2013 14:57 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not saying all the music is bad, but he has always been a complete twit in interviews, etc.
― Ulna (Nicole), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
serious lmao at this exchange as presented here. somehow i didn't realize corgan was just as fascinating of a personality pre-mellon collie.
― billstevejim, Monday, 25 February 2013 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
he is basically crazy
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
I always liked Thayil but that interview pretty much cemented it in my brain when it ran. Would buy him a beer anytime.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 February 2013 16:32 (eleven years ago) link
I love that nearly 20 years after these exchanges took place it's still endlessly rewarding to pick them apart and lol at what a giant tool Billy Corgan was and is. His dickheadery transcends time.
― bizarro gazzara, Monday, 25 February 2013 16:37 (eleven years ago) link
you hurt me deeply in my heart FTW
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
that interview is so great, alltime favorite
in context, "I'm a Pisces, We pick up on those things," is probably the most amazing line here
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
I had to go for "But I hate it, it means they don't think I'm the cute one." because it's so hilariously childish and petulant.
― Ulna (Nicole), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:43 (eleven years ago) link
Corgan tells Thayil how important Soundgarden used to be to him, and he baits him by saying that the Pumpkins sometimes do a cover of Soundgarden's "Outshined" that segues into a Depeche Mode song or something.
― :C (crüt), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
fwiw imagining pumpkins covering "outshined" sounds like it could be awesome.
― billstevejim, Monday, 25 February 2013 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
I'm a Pisces, We pick up on those things. is really speaking to me right now
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 25 February 2013 17:05 (eleven years ago) link
this makes me wish Kim Thayil did all of Soundgarden's interviews, possibly also co-hosted That Metal Show or something
― luaka boppa flame (some dude), Monday, 25 February 2013 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
"you hurt me deeply in my heart" is not complete without the image of corgan pointing to the superman logo on his chest/shirt
― brimstead, Monday, 25 February 2013 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
okay
Imagine Dawn Richard is singing all of Armor On and Goldenheart to Billy Corgan in a Superman t-shirt
;_;
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Monday, 25 February 2013 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
i kept the poll options strictly to the quotes but feel free to vote based on their full meaning and context
― luaka boppa flame (some dude), Monday, 25 February 2013 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
This interview should have won a pulitzer. Best ever.
The winner has to be "..deeply in my heart", but they're all solid gold.
― Mule, Monday, 25 February 2013 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
"I'm a Pisces, We pick up on those things" is 100x funnier in context:
"Aha!" Corgan says. "A Virgo. You're argumentative.""Damn right, I'm argumentative," Thayil says, and takes a long, angry pulll at his beer, "which you should know because I've been arguing with you for half an hour, not because of any sign.""I'm a Pisces," Corgan replies. "We pick up on those things."
"Damn right, I'm argumentative," Thayil says, and takes a long, angry pulll at his beer, "which you should know because I've been arguing with you for half an hour, not because of any sign."
"I'm a Pisces," Corgan replies. "We pick up on those things."
― :C (crüt), Monday, 25 February 2013 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
haha oh wait somebody already posted that excerpt
― :C (crüt), Monday, 25 February 2013 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
That's okay. I think it's the most remarkable part of the piece too.
― balls, I mean, balls, and the eternal frustration (how's life), Monday, 25 February 2013 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
such great margarita talk.
― balls, I mean, balls, and the eternal frustration (how's life), Monday, 25 February 2013 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
i'm a virgo... WHO WANTS TO GET DOWN ARGIN' UP IN HERER\?
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 25 February 2013 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
i'm not v. argumentative tbh
― железобетонное очко (mookieproof), Monday, 25 February 2013 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
yes you are
― :C (crüt), Monday, 25 February 2013 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
why do you all have to hurt Corgan so deeply?it hurts him deeply in his heart.
― nostormo, Monday, 25 February 2013 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
google suggestions for "billy corgan is":
a douchecrazya satanist fat
― nostormo, Monday, 25 February 2013 21:53 (eleven years ago) link
ok you're right xps
― железобетонное очко (mookieproof), Monday, 25 February 2013 21:53 (eleven years ago) link
this is the point where someone tells nostormo to start a poll, right
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Monday, 25 February 2013 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
"Songwriting for me is in the proximity of the possibilities," Cornell says later.
kinda wish this was an option tbh
― Donkamole Marvin (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 25 February 2013 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
I remember that year when Soundgarden and the Pumpkins were here, saw both twice iirc. Corgan was always a hippy twat, I'm suprised some people think that came later.
They were pretty damn good on that tour, that said. Cannot fucking believe that was 20 years ago, jesus fuck.
― a kissed out red popemobile (Trayce), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 00:10 (eleven years ago) link
great poll, great interview. love that web.stargate.net still resolves. i think i musta read everything on there by now. and pulled a lot of tabs.
anyhoo honorable mention to "back to the core, the heart music. Echo and the Bunnymen." but i use "you hurt me deeply in my heart" way too often in real life to vote for anything else.
― inste grammophon (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 00:19 (eleven years ago) link
the corgan/thayil standoff has been etched in my brain for nearly 20 years as well
i bought this issue off the newsstand when it came out & instantly remembered the 'you hurt me deeply in my heart' comment when i saw this thread! kim thayil is the best. i'm sad that i probably recycled this issue just last year. the remnants of my mid-90s collection are still on my bookshelf & all i found were three different mid-90s SPIN, and one each of Alt Press and Raygun
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 00:22 (eleven years ago) link
Thanking you, OP some dude.
― Stranded In the Jungle Groove (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 00:29 (eleven years ago) link
:)
― luaka boppa flame (some dude), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 02:17 (eleven years ago) link
i slept on this and i think i will go with "But I hate it, it means they don't think I'm the cute one."
so glad i didn't know corgan was such an annoying ninny when siamese dreams came out: for me that must be one of the very few "blessings" of not having access to the internet back then.
― Sébastien, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 15:09 (eleven years ago) link
So this is where "You hurt me deeply in my heart" came from. What a total doink.
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:26 (eleven years ago) link
Yes, this thread is a treat.
― Ulna (Nicole), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:37 (eleven years ago) link
"Aha!" Corgan says. "A Virgo. You're argumentative."
This is so perfect. In my head, when I visualize this, it's like a joke from Futurama, where Corgan is Fry, and Thayil is Prof. Farnsworth.
― this is called money bags (Phil D.), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
hmmm I'm thinking more Zap Brannigan & Leela.
― ledge, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:47 (eleven years ago) link
^^^ OTM
― my super interesting Kant story (DJP), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
haha yes
― balls, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:50 (eleven years ago) link
Damn it, you're right! I'll be in the Angry Dome!
― this is called money bags (Phil D.), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
woah just realized who wrote this, crazy how many names you can find lurking in the bylines of old spin magazines
― balls, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it’s amazing to see billy actually feel uncomfortable and painfully uncool
― brimstead, Friday, 10 April 2020 20:12 (four years ago) link
there’s not a second of it that’s not golden but my favourite part might be the footage of cave and the seeds giving it their all in front of a bemused audience in full blazing sunshine
― force ghost bg (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 10 April 2020 20:18 (four years ago) link
Love it when he calls Cave English
it's even better when he quadruples down and claims that Germany, England and an entire continent on the other side of the planet from them "all look like" one country, from as far away as America
― donald failson (sic), Friday, 10 April 2020 20:58 (four years ago) link
he was mocking Americans when he said that, but didn't give it the right polish
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 10 April 2020 21:01 (four years ago) link
yep, he half-assed the self-deprecation and it backfired
― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 April 2020 21:07 (four years ago) link
I love that MTV wasn't like 'eh, we can't air that' but rather like 'oh, we MUST air that'.
― Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Friday, April 10, 2020 2:47 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
OTM
― Deflatormouse, Friday, 10 April 2020 21:12 (four years ago) link
he tried for self-deprecation but accidentally showed his whole ass
― donald failson (sic), Friday, 10 April 2020 21:15 (four years ago) link
my favourite part might be the footage of cave and the seeds giving it their all in front of a bemused audience in full blazing sunshine
yeah thats amazing. Looks like its 11am.
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Friday, 10 April 2020 21:26 (four years ago) link
https://www.nme.com/news/music/billy-corgan-says-he-was-not-considered-good-looking-in-smashing-pumpkins-early-days-2948368?utm_source=feedly&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=billy-corgan-says-he-was-not-considered-good-looking-in-smashing-pumpkins-early-days
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 23:41 (two years ago) link
Aw, you were an adorable little scamp back in the day, Billy, don't sell yourself short.https://www.boyactors.org.uk/actors/1488.jpg
― Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 00:22 (two years ago) link
“So, my looks were not part of anybody’s formula as far as the success of the band. It was never talked about. Photographers would try to stick me in the back of photo shoots with the band and put other people [in front of me]. I swear to God… Well, you know, things change.”
dogg you're like half a foot taller than your bandmates!!
― eisimpleir (crüt), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 01:04 (two years ago) link
“I have two distinctive and handsome people in the band whom I do not permit to play on our records. I’ll be FUCKED if I let them appear in the photographs instead!”
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 02:12 (two years ago) link
lol that's not billy corgan
http://washedupcelebrities.blogspot.com/2007/05/jerry-supiran.html?m=1
xxp
― Fauna Sukkot (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 04:26 (two years ago) link
Lmfao yes!!!
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 06:33 (two years ago) link
Excellent bump
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ef/b7/ab/efb7ab5fdfc6136bc37327c01d3dcc04.jpg
― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 06:38 (two years ago) link
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/smashing-pumpkins-on-51091-in-chicago-il-picture-id75371914?k=6&m=75371914&s=612x612&w=0&h=2wQ5yd9GyruOdtx1Z6OJQnQadAwRsu8ENRgJfBhEpwg=
― Sam Weller, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 07:21 (two years ago) link
NOTHING is uglier than Jimmy's shirt
― burnt hombre (stevie), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 07:56 (two years ago) link
lol thats not Billy Corganhttps://www.crimemuseum.org/crime-library/famous-murders/amanda-knox/
― (the one with 3 L's) (Willl), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 08:02 (two years ago) link
james iha was and is the only member of the rolling stones
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 09:19 (two years ago) link
Poll: Who has the more fragile ego - Billy Corgan or Donald Trump?
― Deicide at Chuck E. Cheese (PBKR), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 11:33 (two years ago) link
at least Billy can read
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 16:46 (two years ago) link
Looks as if the Pumpkins were part of that power pop Paisley psych look that Redd Kross/Posies/Jellyfish were giving off circa 1990
― Master of Treacle, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 22:19 (two years ago) link
oh yeah, the gish era was 100 percent that
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 22:20 (two years ago) link