things Billy Corgan said to Kim Thayil in Australia in 1994 poll

I almost want to protest. The last two are inextricably tied together in my brain, they can't be separated.

the whole text of that part is one of the funniest things ever written:

The next day at the Big Day Out festival, Thayil is talking to Kim and Kelley Deal in the Breeders' dressing room when Corgan walks past wearing a long-sleeved Superman T-shirt like the one your four-year-old nephew probably owns.

"You hurt me deeply," Corgan says, touching the giant S on his chest and pouting. "You hurt me deeply in my heart."

Your hurt me deeply vs. You hurt me deeply in my heart

it's kind of nice to see that he was just as much of a ridiculous tool back when he was in the middle or writing Mellon Collie classics

Billy Corgan can't make his face into a heart.

Loser

the whole text of that part is one of the funniest things ever written:

/The next day at the Big Day Out festival, Thayil is talking to Kim and Kelley Deal in the Breeders' dressing room when Corgan walks past wearing a long-sleeved Superman T-shirt like the one your four-year-old nephew probably owns.

"You hurt me deeply," Corgan says, touching the giant S on his chest and pouting. "You hurt me deeply in my heart."/

Yes but can Billy Corgan make his face into a heart?

I voted for Aha! A Virgo. You're argumentative. for personal reasons, but the answer really is You hurt me deeply in my heart.

I spend all my time doing things that may be a bit tangential.

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:23 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^ so choice. the others are all outwardly amusing & ridiculous, but this one paints such a vivid picture of the interior life of billy corgan, installing a microphone in his kitchen to record the sound of clingfilm being stretched, driving way out of town to see if he can get a cheap deal on a new printer, looking up the zoning details of his building in the city ordinance to see if he could push his landlord for reduced rent.

like '83-'84 new wave, not like Berlin.

i thought Corgan is straight..

Straight trippin

Clearly "You hurt me deeply"/"You hurt me deeply in my heart" are the real winners here, but I'm voting for "I hate how in magazine pictures, they always stick me somewhere in the back" because it's just so stunningly needy and is a perfect encapsulation of how Corgan's personality has always seemed to me. Thayil's measured, rational and 100% OTM response is great too.

Mostly, though, I just wanted to post this:

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4846659584/h82F1F34C/

Especially since it's not really borne out by press photos of the time:

http://www.thevinyldistrict.com/chicago/files/2011/04/The_Smashing_Pumpkins-425x310.jpg

Voted for "You hurt me deeply in my heart" though.

You know Iha in that photo was all, whatever, I don't give a shit, put me in back.

Whatever you want, Billy, I'm flipping you off behind your back.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d98/Siamese_Dreamer/Smashing%20Pumpkins/billy-corgan-01.jpg

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/321369/Billy+Corgan.jpg

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2012/06/25/billy-corgan-6-22-12-3_custom-7b6f3b85c7864bd1337b32e7a25383ebad962910-s6-c10.jpg

http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs4/i/2004/227/d/d/Billy_Corgan_is_adorable.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ona4Cy9TfOA

the corgan/thayil standoff has been etched in my brain for nearly 20 years as well

so many great moments but i have to go with "you hurt me deeply in my heart"

voted for echo and the bunnymen just going from the options sitting there by themselves, but actually reading the piece, they are all pretty compelling.

"Aha!" Corgan says. "A Virgo. You're argumentative."

"Damn right, I'm argumentative," Thayil says, and takes a long, angry pulll at his beer, "which you should know because I've been arguing with you for half an hour, not because of any sign."

"I'm a Pisces," Corgan replies. "We pick up on those things."

this fucking guy

I wish I could vote for the actual best part of this, which is this:

Cornell and Thayil are settling back with a couple of beers when Billy Corgan from Smashing Pumpkins wanders through, and decides to join them for a strawberry margarita.

Aha! A Virgo. You're argumentative.

'Cuz I'm a Virgo and I'm argumentative.

Curt otm.

Although my favorite all time Billy moment is him dressing up in a clown costume onstage because he was butthurt over a bad review in Melody Maker.

What's so amazing is that this is what Corgan was like early in his career, a good many years before any other number of insufferable transgressions.

He was insufferable right off the bat.

totally insufferable nightmare

otoh, "Rhinoceros" and "Bury Me"

I'm not saying all the music is bad, but he has always been a complete twit in interviews, etc.

serious lmao at this exchange as presented here. somehow i didn't realize corgan was just as fascinating of a personality pre-mellon collie.

he is basically crazy

I always liked Thayil but that interview pretty much cemented it in my brain when it ran. Would buy him a beer anytime.

I love that nearly 20 years after these exchanges took place it's still endlessly rewarding to pick them apart and lol at what a giant tool Billy Corgan was and is. His dickheadery transcends time.

you hurt me deeply in my heart FTW

that interview is so great, alltime favorite

in context, "I'm a Pisces, We pick up on those things," is probably the most amazing line here

I had to go for "But I hate it, it means they don't think I'm the cute one." because it's so hilariously childish and petulant.

Corgan tells Thayil how important Soundgarden used to be to him, and he baits him by saying that the Pumpkins sometimes do a cover of Soundgarden's "Outshined" that segues into a Depeche Mode song or something.

fwiw imagining pumpkins covering "outshined" sounds like it could be awesome.

I'm a Pisces, We pick up on those things. is really speaking to me right now

this makes me wish Kim Thayil did all of Soundgarden's interviews, possibly also co-hosted That Metal Show or something

"you hurt me deeply in my heart" is not complete without the image of corgan pointing to the superman logo on his chest/shirt

okay

Imagine Dawn Richard is singing all of Armor On and Goldenheart to Billy Corgan in a Superman t-shirt

;_;

i kept the poll options strictly to the quotes but feel free to vote based on their full meaning and context

This interview should have won a pulitzer. Best ever.

The winner has to be "..deeply in my heart", but they're all solid gold.

"I'm a Pisces, We pick up on those things" is 100x funnier in context:

"Aha!" Corgan says. "A Virgo. You're argumentative."

"Damn right, I'm argumentative," Thayil says, and takes a long, angry pulll at his beer, "which you should know because I've been arguing with you for half an hour, not because of any sign."

"I'm a Pisces," Corgan replies. "We pick up on those things."

haha oh wait somebody already posted that excerpt

That's okay. I think it's the most remarkable part of the piece too.

such great margarita talk.

Ugh

I think he's trying to get festival bookings for a full SP reunion in 2018,

not with D'Arcy on bass, surely?

was that really necessary Turrican

jesus...

_I think he's trying to get festival bookings for a full SP reunion in 2018,_

not with D'Arcy on bass, surely?

yes, they're in contact and have been since last year

What? I was talking, of course, about the Alt. Rock Hall of Fame...

Some of these guitars look pretty cool tbh, really love the James Trussart Rustomatic but they're expensive enough when they're not previously owned by someone famous.

Wow, is there really no ILX Jonathan Gold appreciaation thread? RIP JG, one of the best.

holy shit, Jonathan Gold wrote this piece??

...the same Jonathan Gold?

Yeah he wrote a lot about WC Gangsta Rap & pre-/post-Nirvana-grunge for the LA Weekly, LA Times & SPIN. He was at all the club shows... Al's Bar, Jabberwocky, Raji's.

Wow

I meant Jabberjaw, not Jabberwocky! That's what I get for posting in the middle of the night.

lol, just stumbled upon this video of Billy interviewing an openly-contemptuous Nick Cave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X1LThFfA8U

lol, amazing

lol great find

Easter came early.

I love that MTV wasn't like 'eh, we can't air that' but rather like 'oh, we MUST air that'.

loooooool

*makes dick-sucking motion with microphone* and it all goes downhill from there.

Love it when he calls Cave English

hahaha none of you have seen that before? I think about it semi-often

"I mean you know, for the typical American teenager, it's all the same."
"Yeah well it's not."
"I know I'm sorry."
"You said you're a teenager? How old are you?"
"27."
"Right."

🤣🤣🤣

its awesome to watch Billy eat shit bc it so rarely happens. there was a great one maybe 5 years ago when he was on an Australian morning show to promote a festival appearance by SP (I think the Download Festival or something). at the end of the interview, the host said "Hope you have a good time at Download!" and Billy just said "What's that?" DEAD AIR 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

yeah it’s amazing to see billy actually feel uncomfortable and painfully uncool

there’s not a second of it that’s not golden but my favourite part might be the footage of cave and the seeds giving it their all in front of a bemused audience in full blazing sunshine

Love it when he calls Cave English

it's even better when he quadruples down and claims that Germany, England and an entire continent on the other side of the planet from them "all look like" one country, from as far away as America

he was mocking Americans when he said that, but didn't give it the right polish

yep, he half-assed the self-deprecation and it backfired

I love that MTV wasn't like 'eh, we can't air that' but rather like 'oh, we MUST air that'.

― Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Friday, April 10, 2020 2:47 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

OTM

yep, he half-assed the self-deprecation and it backfired

he tried for self-deprecation but accidentally showed his whole ass

my favourite part might be the footage of cave and the seeds giving it their all in front of a bemused audience in full blazing sunshine

yeah thats amazing. Looks like its 11am.

https://www.nme.com/news/music/billy-corgan-says-he-was-not-considered-good-looking-in-smashing-pumpkins-early-days-2948368?utm_source=feedly&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=billy-corgan-says-he-was-not-considered-good-looking-in-smashing-pumpkins-early-days

Aw, you were an adorable little scamp back in the day, Billy, don't sell yourself short.

https://www.boyactors.org.uk/actors/1488.jpg

“So, my looks were not part of anybody’s formula as far as the success of the band. It was never talked about. Photographers would try to stick me in the back of photo shoots with the band and put other people [in front of me]. I swear to God… Well, you know, things change.”

dogg you're like half a foot taller than your bandmates!!

“I have two distinctive and handsome people in the band whom I do not permit to play on our records. I’ll be FUCKED if I let them appear in the photographs instead!”

lol that's not billy corgan

http://washedupcelebrities.blogspot.com/2007/05/jerry-supiran.html?m=1

xxp

Lmfao yes!!!

Excellent bump

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ef/b7/ab/efb7ab5fdfc6136bc37327c01d3dcc04.jpg

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/smashing-pumpkins-on-51091-in-chicago-il-picture-id75371914?k=6&m=75371914&s=612x612&w=0&h=2wQ5yd9GyruOdtx1Z6OJQnQadAwRsu8ENRgJfBhEpwg=

NOTHING is uglier than Jimmy's shirt

lol thats not Billy Corgan

https://www.crimemuseum.org/crime-library/famous-murders/amanda-knox/

james iha was and is the only member of the rolling stones

Poll: Who has the more fragile ego - Billy Corgan or Donald Trump?

at least Billy can read

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/smashing-pumpkins-on-51091-in-chicago-il-picture-id75371914?k=6&m=75371914&s=612x612&w=0&h=2wQ5yd9GyruOdtx1Z6OJQnQadAwRsu8ENRgJfBhEpwg=

Looks as if the Pumpkins were part of that power pop Paisley psych look that Redd Kross/Posies/Jellyfish were giving off circa 1990

oh yeah, the gish era was 100 percent that