what would have been awesome is if Bond called in a drone strike, provided as a favor by his CIA friend Felix Leiter, blowing up his family home and Silva, as he and M hide in the chapel
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 01:39 (eleven years ago) link
Or even better, Bond and M make Silva think they're in the chapel, drone blows it and Silva, and he remodels the family home as a shaggin' pad
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 01:40 (eleven years ago) link
then there's an implied Oedipal scene where we figure out if he's really saying "mum"
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 01:41 (eleven years ago) link
TURN OFF YOUR FUCKING TORCH YOU OLD FOOL THE CHURCH HARDLY FUCKING SHIFTED SINCE YESTERDAY
― lance armstrong will have been delighted (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 01:41 (eleven years ago) link
he should have turned off his flashlight, too
― that Django got me Nuages (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 01:43 (eleven years ago) link
ha yes, excellent tradecraft there
― goole, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 02:58 (eleven years ago) link
used that word twice already today, that's my limit
― goole, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 02:59 (eleven years ago) link
despite everything i did have a pretty good time watching the film (craig is still good, deakins is awesome, action scenes as standalones were pretty cool) but it definitely has diminishing returns.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 03:09 (eleven years ago) link
i feel like bond's final ploy to draw silva out should have been met with blank stares and termination of his employment.
loloolol
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 12:34 (eleven years ago) link
the other thing that didnt resonate at all for me in this was the angle about bond being made obsolete. no attempt is made to give it context, everyone just talks about how he's a dinosaur so he can have the triumphant Sometimes My Old Man Ways Are The Best arc. are we meant to imagine unmanned drones taking his place offscreen? what makes it a relevant issue in 2012 instead of when the last bond came out, or the one before that? it irritated me way more than it should've, like they just wanted to have the gritty old guy shows the young punks that hes still the best story without laying any groundwork... maybe i just missed the point or something
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
I thought the point was that he was an older dude who got shot on a mission and wasn't bouncing back as quickly as he would have had he been younger
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
right but its the springboard for a bigger theme about the relevancy of agents in this brave new world or whatever
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
m's big speech in front of the british... panel.. of upset people. whatever that was
I thought it was less the relevancy of agents in general and more the specific relevancy of M and Bond because they are old fossils who should be replaced with young sparkly models like baby Q
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
and M's baseline argument was "bitch I've seen some shit, don't front" and then the building blew up and Bond and The English Patient shot everyone in the face
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 16:05 (eleven years ago) link
(that was my takeaway anyway)
yeah u could be right. also, lol
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
the british... panel.. of upset people
― железобетонное очко (mookieproof), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
the script is the worst thing about this, and that's including Sam Mendes existing
sans news and credits, you would not have known this was Mendes.
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
I loved this till about halfway through, when I popped into the lobby to buy a couple of Cornettos, fell down some stairs and did my back in.
When I came back, Bardem was in some blonde wig spouting bollocks doing Homosexual Panic 101, then he shot the sex slave in the head, and it all sort of fell apart. And my back hurt.
Deakins was great but he can't shoot a gunfight for toffee.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 16:20 (eleven years ago) link
xp
well i don't know that Mendes has a "style", but he makes incoherent story-telling choices and likes to throw some big empty "makes you think" moments into everything so that ties in with Skyfall
― tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 16:22 (eleven years ago) link
xxp Needed a scene of Bond sitting on a London street watching a plastic bag blow around an alley.
― this is called money bags (Phil D.), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 16:25 (eleven years ago) link
(if there are different Britishes words for "plastic bag," "alley" and "Bond," I don't know them, sorry)
he makes incoherent story-telling choices
visually? othwise you should blame the writers, yes?
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 16:40 (eleven years ago) link
i think ade is right, i remember a LOT of stuff about like, "why do we need agents when we can HACK people" or whatever
― max, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
which is SO dumb because like a) they never actually sell this in the movie itself, in fact they specifically UNDERMINE it at the start with the whole hard drive chase and b) within the 'bond universe' he has literally been dealing with 'hackers' for 20 years, basically every single brosnan bond involved hacking of some kind
― max, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
yeah exactly
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
eh I remember explosions and ppl getting shot a lot
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 18:34 (eleven years ago) link
which is basically what I go to a Bond movie for
in the bond universe it should be received wisdom that british agents like bond are not only needed but the most skilled purveyors of the jobs no one else can do, even those colonist savages in the u.s.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
i feel like half this movie was spent trying to elide the true identities of certain characters so we could have catch-your-breath moments like when you realize, holy shit, it's fucking Q.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
the moneypenny thing infuriated me too
― max, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 21:16 (eleven years ago) link
so infuriating
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 21:38 (eleven years ago) link
assassins choosing desk jobs after a few years seems reasonable
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
Tbf she started the movie killing our hero, perhaps 00 status wasnt exactly nailed on at that stage
― lance armstrong will have been delighted (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
the moneypenny thing was horrible
― zero dark (s1ocki), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 23:53 (eleven years ago) link
who was it that pointed out that they never actually recovered that special hard drive of all agents everywhere... oops
― zero dark (s1ocki), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
If they decrypted the list the hard drive would be completely useless?
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
YOUR hard drive would be useless
― zero dark (s1ocki), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
ultimately though nobody besides bardem actually succeeds at doing what they're trying to do in this movie rite?
― zero dark (s1ocki), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 23:57 (eleven years ago) link
wow let's get back this decrypted hard drive they could have made a zillion unencrypted copies of
yeah silva is the winner
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 23:58 (eleven years ago) link
moneypenny's character arc was so depressingly retrograde
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 23:58 (eleven years ago) link
my thought when they were making all the shaving jokes at the end:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cc/A-close-shave.jpg/220px-A-close-shave.jpg
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
did it seem to anyone else that this was largely stitched together from familiar action-movie tropes? almost literally, in a shot to shot way? some obv (apocalypse now), some less so (i actually can't think of one now, shit), and some overbearing (bond IS the dark knight...like, with a stately home he blows up and an old guy he owns)
bardem earned his keep but his character was a uh-oh-danger-GAY (vs bond teaching us to be MEN) dude that was maybe two-face (on the inside...of his face), maybe jaws, also btw he was locked in a crystal and at one point laughed maniacally I AM JUST SAYING HERE
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Thursday, 21 February 2013 02:25 (eleven years ago) link
the reptilian part of my brain kinda loved this, and thought it well-made or w/e, but if i think about it even for a second it's just crappy
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Thursday, 21 February 2013 02:26 (eleven years ago) link
i basically agree with that last sentiment, like walking out of the theater i was "bond returns in style in this delightful new--" and then i started to think about it and it fell apart, as if i'd removed the mandible from the movie's jaw and it revealed its horrible true guise.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 21 February 2013 02:29 (eleven years ago) link
it's kinda weird that my two biggest complaints are that it was too referential and "young" (hackers! Q has a floppy haircut and a sweatervest! moneypenny isn't just a secretary, she's an agent!) and that it reveled in bond's piggish chauvinism, and excused it maybe? it's like it was written for archer to parody
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Thursday, 21 February 2013 02:30 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah it was really trying to have it all with the self-referential shit and the above-being-a-bond-movie shit and idk at least two other layers of overthinking, it rested heavily and shapelessly over some very good action scenes.
― lance armstrong will have been delighted (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 February 2013 02:34 (eleven years ago) link
an old guy he owns
i thought this was hilarious btw, bond's been gone for years and returns to his family's abandoned estate and ah this old painting, look at the dusty furniture, and why there's that old fella still in the same corner, hasn't moved has he?
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 21 February 2013 02:38 (eleven years ago) link
Ah, mr bond. I've been expecting you.
― lance armstrong will have been delighted (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 February 2013 02:40 (eleven years ago) link