every time I have read "the bitch is dead" on this thread, I've gotten Elton John's voice stuck in my head
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:53 (eleven years ago) link
Casino Royale movie actually super-emphasises that by having some foreshadowing at the beginning where Bond claims to only smash married women cos it's complication-free
― tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
that was Paul Haggis at work, I think
still amazed the first one did so well with one of his scripts
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
that line gets worse and worse to me as time goes on. i cant think of any previous iteration of the character, even at his coldest and most heartless, that would crack wise about an innocent woman being murdered by the bad guy - much less joke that her life was worth less than a glass of scotch. its like the transformation of mcclane from guy who's scared to die and even fears for the life of a scumbag like ellis, to smirking poochy bruce who goes 'heh, that had to hurt' as he maims dozens of innocent people in a carnage-packed moscow car chase
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, February 19, 2013 3:34 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
qft
― zero dark (s1ocki), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
i hated that moment so much
― zero dark (s1ocki), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
man this movie had so much loathsome things that the odium Albert Finney's inspired on this thread is so misplaced.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
just imagine if they'd actually put Sean Connery in that role
the humor would have returned to the franchise
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
well... it's kind of unavoidably loathsome though, right? otherwise it's not a bond movie. it's already pretty close to turning into bourne without those things.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:58 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
qft too
― zero dark (s1ocki), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
who cares
I take back everything I said trying to be devil's advocate for that line and scene, btw
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
Finney thinking Dench's character is "Emma" is still great
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
at least Connery wd've had one of those rare career highlights where he cd do the accent
― tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
and Bond is in large part a celebration of loathsomeness, i cd really give a fuck about that aspect of it, i just like joshing on Finney cos he didn't just phone it in he sent it overland on the back of a beermat from Irkutsk
― tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
kinda feel like finney himself originally thought so and they were just like, let's keep it in
― железобетонное очко (mookieproof), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
oh god, I hope so
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:11 (eleven years ago) link
i like how he said "mum"
― caek, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 23:20 (eleven years ago) link
what did y'all think of pingu as Kid Q?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
hot as fuck
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
hotter than pingu as scentless apprentice in Perfume?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 00:04 (eleven years ago) link
disappointed no one threatened Q with electrical zapping
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 00:42 (eleven years ago) link
The q shit was so shit
― lance armstrong will have been delighted (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 00:52 (eleven years ago) link
i was kinda surprised by how much i disliked this
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 01:17 (eleven years ago) link
I do think that fixating on the awfulness of the line with the scotch might be pulling ppl's attention away from how stupid and lazily held together the rest of this really was
― lance armstrong will have been delighted (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 01:21 (eleven years ago) link
i feel like bond's final ploy to draw silva out should have been met with blank stares and termination of his employment.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 01:31 (eleven years ago) link
He'd just have refused to be sacked, like m earlier on
― lance armstrong will have been delighted (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 01:36 (eleven years ago) link
Silva's an expert at modern technology, Bond faces him in a no-technology area, and M still manages to die
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 01:37 (eleven years ago) link
it's so crazy it just might work*
(*it didn't, at all)
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 01:38 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah we all seem to be forgetting that this movie just sucked
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 01:38 (eleven years ago) link
what would have been awesome is if Bond called in a drone strike, provided as a favor by his CIA friend Felix Leiter, blowing up his family home and Silva, as he and M hide in the chapel
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 01:39 (eleven years ago) link
Or even better, Bond and M make Silva think they're in the chapel, drone blows it and Silva, and he remodels the family home as a shaggin' pad
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 01:40 (eleven years ago) link
then there's an implied Oedipal scene where we figure out if he's really saying "mum"
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 01:41 (eleven years ago) link
TURN OFF YOUR FUCKING TORCH YOU OLD FOOL THE CHURCH HARDLY FUCKING SHIFTED SINCE YESTERDAY
― lance armstrong will have been delighted (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 01:41 (eleven years ago) link
he should have turned off his flashlight, too
― that Django got me Nuages (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 01:43 (eleven years ago) link
ha yes, excellent tradecraft there
― goole, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 02:58 (eleven years ago) link
used that word twice already today, that's my limit
― goole, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 02:59 (eleven years ago) link
despite everything i did have a pretty good time watching the film (craig is still good, deakins is awesome, action scenes as standalones were pretty cool) but it definitely has diminishing returns.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 03:09 (eleven years ago) link
loloolol
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 12:34 (eleven years ago) link
the other thing that didnt resonate at all for me in this was the angle about bond being made obsolete. no attempt is made to give it context, everyone just talks about how he's a dinosaur so he can have the triumphant Sometimes My Old Man Ways Are The Best arc. are we meant to imagine unmanned drones taking his place offscreen? what makes it a relevant issue in 2012 instead of when the last bond came out, or the one before that? it irritated me way more than it should've, like they just wanted to have the gritty old guy shows the young punks that hes still the best story without laying any groundwork... maybe i just missed the point or something
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
I thought the point was that he was an older dude who got shot on a mission and wasn't bouncing back as quickly as he would have had he been younger
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
right but its the springboard for a bigger theme about the relevancy of agents in this brave new world or whatever
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
m's big speech in front of the british... panel.. of upset people. whatever that was
I thought it was less the relevancy of agents in general and more the specific relevancy of M and Bond because they are old fossils who should be replaced with young sparkly models like baby Q
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
and M's baseline argument was "bitch I've seen some shit, don't front" and then the building blew up and Bond and The English Patient shot everyone in the face
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 16:05 (eleven years ago) link
(that was my takeaway anyway)
yeah u could be right. also, lol
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
the british... panel.. of upset people
― железобетонное очко (mookieproof), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
the script is the worst thing about this, and that's including Sam Mendes existing
sans news and credits, you would not have known this was Mendes.
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
I loved this till about halfway through, when I popped into the lobby to buy a couple of Cornettos, fell down some stairs and did my back in.
When I came back, Bardem was in some blonde wig spouting bollocks doing Homosexual Panic 101, then he shot the sex slave in the head, and it all sort of fell apart. And my back hurt.
Deakins was great but he can't shoot a gunfight for toffee.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 16:20 (eleven years ago) link
xp
well i don't know that Mendes has a "style", but he makes incoherent story-telling choices and likes to throw some big empty "makes you think" moments into everything so that ties in with Skyfall
― tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 16:22 (eleven years ago) link