Skyfall: Bond #23

haaa oh god that's the best way to watch

Ultraviolet is beyond terrible - it's like that animated esurance commercial made into a movie

the funny thing abt the attempts to humanize bond was that concurrently there were awkward stabs at old school ice-cold bond, w/him wisecracking about ruined scotch in the wake of the violent death of a sex trafficking victim.

couldn't tell if he was still trying to look like hardman secret agent to Silva after the whole intimidation sequence prior

i really feel casino royale is the emo bond movie with him broken up over eva green. this is just return to form.

"total fred armisen character"

oh god this is it

xmas candy also otm about the cognitive dissonance

i like that we have finally arrived at the exact, distilled logic behind this movie's faults

xp: I think you mean Quantum of Solace

is quantum the one where he's sad le chifre killed eva? then he's sad. then he thinks she's a spy. then he's mad. then M says she wasn't. then he's sad again.

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just before I saw this my eye caught the headline for an interview with Rory Kinnear that said "....PLAY BOND VILLAIN..." or some such and I quickly turned away to avoid spoilers.

Then when I went to see it I kept telling myself to try and pretend I didn't know RK was ACTUALLY going to be the big villain after all - the faceless insider behind Bardem's theatrical mask. And if you watch it, there's loads of scenes where RK's standing in the background and they're going "It's likely to be someone in the shadows, someone we cd never guess at" and I was trying to work out how cleverly the dramatic irony had been achieved.

Then it got to the end and I was oh fuck, headline must've said WISH I CD PLAY BOND VILLAIN IN NEXT FILM or something.

Still makes a lot more sense my way tho.

lol

w/him wisecracking about ruined scotch in the wake of the violent death of a sex trafficking victim.

― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:22 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

that line gets worse and worse to me as time goes on. i cant think of any previous iteration of the character, even at his coldest and most heartless, that would crack wise about an innocent woman being murdered by the bad guy - much less joke that her life was worth less than a glass of scotch. its like the transformation of mcclane from guy who's scared to die and even fears for the life of a scumbag like ellis, to smirking poochy bruce who goes 'heh, that had to hurt' as he maims dozens of innocent people in a carnage-packed moscow car chase

yeah and it's not even some random stranger, it's a woman he slept w/ last night

a sex trafficking victim he slept w/by sneaking onto her boat and into her shower!

did any bond girls die during the pierce era?

Famke Janssen
Teri Hatcher
Sophie Marceau
Rosamund Pike

guys, i cd be off here, but i think the point is he doesn't want to let Silva know he's got to him so he fronts it out? i guess the delivery cd've been better maybe but it's pretty obvious.

Craig Bond can do this because he's always bubbling with emo just under the surface. if Roger Moore'd said it, that wd've been cold

great director, that mendes

what does it even change if 'he got to bond'

wait wasn't famke the evil scissor killer?

severine's memory echoes in the movie long after she dies, slightly longer than the echo of silva's vintage firearm iirc.

well, this is the James Bond who stated "the job's done and the bitch is dead," although he thought her not so innocent at the time

guys, i cd be off here, but i think the point is he doesn't want to let Silva know he's got to him so he fronts it out? i guess the delivery cd've been better maybe but it's pretty obvious.

― tochter tochter, please (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, February 19, 2013 3:51 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah that occurred to me but it still doesnt play very well

plus why did bond wait until he killed her to make a move. the way it plays out makes it look like he could've saved her life if he felt like it

I have not read any of the books in years but IIRC Craig's utter bastard streak is the closest evocation to the Bond Fleming originally created? (written as a question because it's literally been 25 years since I read a Bond book and I barely remember them)

well, this is the James Bond who stated "the job's done and the bitch is dead," although he thought her not so innocent at the time

― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:29 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

that was a really important character moment, also not a joke

I think you're splitting hairs and over-analyzing this dumb scene in a well-shot but marginally-scripted film

it was a really important character moment showing that Bond overreacts verbally when his underdeveloped emotional intelligence is snubbed!

if i'm over-analyzing, what are your 30+ posts about how the film is a deconstruction of bond

spread out over the whole film versus grinding on those two minutes?

touche, though

I guess I'm not wondering why you care as much as why I care

the quest continues

"the bitch is dead" is almost verbatim from the novel as i recall, the book of Casino Royale probly paces Bond's burgeoning relationship with the Eva Green-type character and she actually is a SMERSH agent in the book iirc - fieldcraft lesson learned

"the bitch is dead" is verbatim from the book. think the main problem w/ scotch line is they play it halfway between lol one liner bond and ice cold sociopath bond, same w/ shower howdy which in tomorrow never knows or moonraker or something would've been fine/consistent (if still creepy if you thought about it at all)(and the women are cannon fodder in those flicks also, that's been true from day one on w/ bond) but w/ serious adult bond is ridiculous even if she hadn't had the tragic background.

why did bond wait until he killed her to make a move

can only assume he's stalling for the cavalry to turn up but yeah the script is the worst thing about this, and that's including Sam Mendes existing and Albert Finney playing Albert Finney

haven't seen this since the original cinema screening btw but still reckon it's hugely entertaining old bollocks

I wish they had included the section from the book where Bond joins a vegan health spa and finds all his aggression floating away.

problem (one of) this movie was its desperate eagerness to please in every second at the expense of making sense minute to minute or act to act. "waste of scotch" line read like "hey! you guys like the old misogynist bond, right??", momentarily throwing out a character impulse not hinted at beforehand and quickly forgotten. if the coldness had any tradecraft layering w/r/t bond getting in with silva it wasn't anything mendes thought fit to show.

"the bitch is dead" looked to me like an attempt to interrogate the bond character's historical misogyny. oh, see, he lost somebody, it's realy sad. excuse-making, maybe, but an idea purposefully executed.

every time I have read "the bitch is dead" on this thread, I've gotten Elton John's voice stuck in my head

Casino Royale movie actually super-emphasises that by having some foreshadowing at the beginning where Bond claims to only smash married women cos it's complication-free

that was Paul Haggis at work, I think

still amazed the first one did so well with one of his scripts

that line gets worse and worse to me as time goes on. i cant think of any previous iteration of the character, even at his coldest and most heartless, that would crack wise about an innocent woman being murdered by the bad guy - much less joke that her life was worth less than a glass of scotch. its like the transformation of mcclane from guy who's scared to die and even fears for the life of a scumbag like ellis, to smirking poochy bruce who goes 'heh, that had to hurt' as he maims dozens of innocent people in a carnage-packed moscow car chase

― turds (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, February 19, 2013 3:34 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

qft

i hated that moment so much

man this movie had so much loathsome things that the odium Albert Finney's inspired on this thread is so misplaced.

just imagine if they'd actually put Sean Connery in that role

the humor would have returned to the franchise

well... it's kind of unavoidably loathsome though, right? otherwise it's not a bond movie. it's already pretty close to turning into bourne without those things.

man this movie had so much loathsome things that the odium Albert Finney's inspired on this thread is so misplaced.

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:58 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

qft too

who cares

I take back everything I said trying to be devil's advocate for that line and scene, btw

Finney thinking Dench's character is "Emma" is still great

at least Connery wd've had one of those rare career highlights where he cd do the accent

and Bond is in large part a celebration of loathsomeness, i cd really give a fuck about that aspect of it, i just like joshing on Finney cos he didn't just phone it in he sent it overland on the back of a beermat from Irkutsk

Finney thinking Dench's character is "Emma" is still great

kinda feel like finney himself originally thought so and they were just like, let's keep it in