Let us not forget these brave men and women who held their ground against relentless Illuminazi pressure for eleven years.
― Jackoff Sheesh (Batty), Sunday, 8 February 2009 22:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Some sanity returns:
Thousands of parents who claimed that childhood vaccines had caused their children to develop autism are wrong and not entitled to federal compensation, a special court ruled today in three decisions with far-reaching implications for a bitterly fought medical controversy.The long-awaited decision on three test cases is a severe blow to a grass-roots movement that has argued -- predominantly through books, magazines and the Internet -- that children's shots have been responsible for the surge in autism diagnoses in the United States in recent decades. The vast majority of the scientific establishment, backed by federal health agencies, has strenuously argued there is no link between vaccines and autism, and warned that scaring parents away from vaccinating their youngsters places children at risk for a host of serious childhood diseases.The decision by three independent special masters is especially telling because the special court's rules did not require plaintiffs to prove their cases with scientific certainty -- all the parents needed to show was that a preponderance of the evidence, or "50 percent and a hair," supported their claims. The vaccine court effectively said today that the thousands of pending claims represented by the three test cases are on extremely shaky ground.
The long-awaited decision on three test cases is a severe blow to a grass-roots movement that has argued -- predominantly through books, magazines and the Internet -- that children's shots have been responsible for the surge in autism diagnoses in the United States in recent decades. The vast majority of the scientific establishment, backed by federal health agencies, has strenuously argued there is no link between vaccines and autism, and warned that scaring parents away from vaccinating their youngsters places children at risk for a host of serious childhood diseases.
The decision by three independent special masters is especially telling because the special court's rules did not require plaintiffs to prove their cases with scientific certainty -- all the parents needed to show was that a preponderance of the evidence, or "50 percent and a hair," supported their claims. The vaccine court effectively said today that the thousands of pending claims represented by the three test cases are on extremely shaky ground.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 February 2009 17:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Awesome
― dowd, Thursday, 12 February 2009 18:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Problem is that it won't necessarily change much in the believers' minds, at least. Vehemently held paranoid beliefs tend not to be arrived at thru rational thought, and as such tend not to be changed by such minor things like facts or actual reality.
In other words, it ain't gunna change the folks who call into Coast to Coast AM about this.
― kingfish, Thursday, 12 February 2009 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link
it'll just intensify their persecution complex, probs :(
― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Thursday, 12 February 2009 19:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh, no question -- it'll all be seen as part of the 'conspiracy' or whatever. But something like this is still good to see.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 February 2009 19:07 (fifteen years ago) link
conspiracy theories are gonna abound now
― memo from norv turner (omar little), Thursday, 12 February 2009 19:08 (fifteen years ago) link
xp
http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/02/safeminds-response-to-autism-omnibus-court-decision.html
― goole, Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Ugh I was reading a women's mag the other day and it had this several-page article on young up and coming slebs doing good work, charity etc. Amongst people working with the UN and whatnot was this fucking cow, with an article going on about her work against vaccines "due to an additive in them that is believed to cause autism".
The fact these falsehoods get so casually spread about in the general media and lauded as someone doing good is so disappointing.
― one art, please (Trayce), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:26 (fifteen years ago) link
that comments section is filled with straight up RETARDS
― memo from norv turner (omar little), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:34 (fifteen years ago) link
/pipecock
"yes, i am doing my part by ruining science and the health of children in general"
― contenderizer, Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:35 (fifteen years ago) link
i hope this particular conspiracy theory is more 9/11 truthers and less jfk w/r/t how much it permeates mainstream opinion
― memo from norv turner (omar little), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:37 (fifteen years ago) link
I think having actual findings out there that are like 'srsly this will not curb autism, it will just help your kids get deadly diseases' will stop people who were on the fence about it & maybe make the crazies seem like they are indeed crazies.
― i'm shy (Abbott), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:39 (fifteen years ago) link
oh goody comments! there weren't any when i posted that
― goole, Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Wow, I'm generally jaded about net.cranks but the ageofautism.com commenters really do makes the Above Top Secret forums look like William F. Buckley
― Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh the temptation to go there and post "dont come crying to anyone when your child dies of a measles complication". So... want ... to.
― one art, please (Trayce), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Do we trust them now to take care of our kids? PLUEEZ.
PLUEEZ
― cat anatomy expert (ledge), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Where does this "surge in autism" come from anyway? I dont know *anyone* with autistic kids, but I know plenty of self-diagnosed geek twits telling anyone who'll listen that they're aspie.
― one art, please (Trayce), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Age o' Fautuism
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:44 (fifteen years ago) link
trayce i doubt that comment would get past their mod police, i imagine they only allow certain types to get past (imo)
― memo from norv turner (omar little), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:44 (fifteen years ago) link
i.e. ones that support their opinion
― memo from norv turner (omar little), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:45 (fifteen years ago) link
haha if you posted an antagonistic comment i'm sure you'd get an email in reply saying "YOUR I.P ADDRESS HAS BEEN LOGGED!!!!!"
― obi don quixote (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:47 (fifteen years ago) link
There is no surge in autism, I believe there is a general rise in cases but this does not coincide with the introduction of MMR.
― cat anatomy expert (ledge), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:47 (fifteen years ago) link
and your field of expertise is....
― memo from norv turner (omar little), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Blog reading!
― cat anatomy expert (ledge), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:49 (fifteen years ago) link
The Internet, M.D.
― happy house of representatives (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:49 (fifteen years ago) link
; D
― memo from norv turner (omar little), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:49 (fifteen years ago) link
everyone's area of expertise is anecdotal evidence
― i'm shy (Abbott), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:50 (fifteen years ago) link
lolz =)
― one art, please (Trayce), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah TBH we're as bad as they are cos we go on what we read but at least its the bloody Lancet.
http://www.mwscomp.com/mpfc/tfgumby.gif
Brain specialist, yesterday.
― one art, please (Trayce), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:51 (fifteen years ago) link
There is absolutely nothing wrong with considering first-person accounts as long as you bear in mind there are 8 billion of them.
― i'm shy (Abbott), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:51 (fifteen years ago) link
i read the abstract of a paper that suggested the 'general rise' in autism has to do with the public awareness of the importance of folate levels in expectant mothers, the widespread supplementaion of which led to more full term births of infants with certain brain disorders??
― obi don quixote (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:52 (fifteen years ago) link
BAHAHA Trayce.
"No, the brain in your HEAD."
― i'm shy (Abbott), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh man, elmo, that means my 'Folic Acid is for Everyone' shirt is responsible for all this.
I don't know what distinction you're making, but I think the documented rise in diagnoses is what people are referring to when they say "surge."
(Obviously there are whole discussions to be had about whether it's not better diagnosed -- as in "caught more often" -- or overdiagnosed or whether there's actually a higher incidence.)
― nabisco, Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:53 (fifteen years ago) link
^^ sorry, that was to ledge
lol see for those anti-vaccination rocket scientists it's much easier to point to something as tangible as an INJECTION of a FOREIGN SUBSTANCE
― memo from norv turner (omar little), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:53 (fifteen years ago) link
We talked about that upthread, how autism is diagnosed at an age where the only real child-related events people can point to are gestation, birth, and vaccination
― nabisco, Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah I am assuming its not that theres more autism but rather more "oh this is autism" diagnoses rather than "oh the kids retarded".
― one art, please (Trayce), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:55 (fifteen years ago) link
rather rather rather
― one art, please (Trayce), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Obviously there are whole discussions to be had about whether it's not better diagnosed -- as in "caught more often" -- or overdiagnosed or whether there's actually a higher incidence.― nabisco
― nabisco
overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed overdiagnosed
― contenderizer, Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:59 (fifteen years ago) link
ok, I was presuming 'surge' is used to imply a specific, large, and unprecedented rise, since the introduction of MMR; instead of a gradual rise since, like, whenever, probably.
― cat anatomy expert (ledge), Friday, 13 February 2009 00:01 (fifteen years ago) link
I do not see a way to lower profits for Pharma anymore. I see this is a gold mine for both Pharma and the vaccine court's fund. I see a mad rush of parents that may have been on the fence, to the doctor for "catch-up" shots. The vary same thing that put My Liam over the edge. I can not express my sadness.
Posted by: Matt Flynn | February 12, 2009 at 05:08 PM
― Alex in SF, Friday, 13 February 2009 00:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Matt's link goes to this http://www.sophisticatering.com/
― Alex in SF, Friday, 13 February 2009 00:04 (fifteen years ago) link
Things seemed to hit critical mass when this article appeared in Wired in 2001. If memory serves, I believe this was the first time I heard of Asperger's.http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aspergers.html
I remember a lot of autism talk following Bill Gates' rather unsettling testimony to Congress during the Microsoft anti-trust hearings.
― Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 13 February 2009 00:05 (fifteen years ago) link
OK, the neurodiversity movement is kinda weird
http://nymag.com/news/features/47225/
― Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 13 February 2009 00:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Gates was born ambidextrous, so he has lots of issues.
― System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Friday, 13 February 2009 00:40 (fifteen years ago) link