o wait i found it -- http://popsongs.wordpress.com/category/ask-michael-stipe/
I’m curious what songs you’ve heard in your life that made you just drop whatever you were doing and go, “You know, why can’t I write a song like this,” or, perhaps, “Damn, I wish I had written that.”
short list: Birdland, One, Beautiful Day, Man Who Sold the World, Ashes to Ashes, Karma Police, Rhyme[by Television], and more recently l.e.s. artistes
― tylerw, Thursday, 14 February 2013 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
someday i'm going to have to put together the 4th television album, since verlaine refuses.
― tylerw, Thursday, 14 February 2013 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
Hope someday comes soon...
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 15 February 2013 00:30 (eleven years ago) link
The title of the record should be Verlaine Refuses.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 15 February 2013 00:39 (eleven years ago) link
there was one someone did a while ago called Call Mr. Lloyd
― tylerw, Friday, 15 February 2013 02:48 (eleven years ago) link
Been collecting 1992 tour gigs just because I can't get enough of that record
― Brakhage, Friday, 15 February 2013 04:23 (eleven years ago) link
... and I'm glad I read this whole thread because this whole time I was imagining Verlaine as the lead guitarist
― Brakhage, Friday, 15 February 2013 05:24 (eleven years ago) link
this 1993 NC show is killer: http://ow.ly/jhY2I when they were on during that first reunion tour, they were amazing.
― tylerw, Thursday, 21 March 2013 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
Really enjoyable new review of Hell's autobio, which I gotta get---linked on this ancient, still worthy thread:richard hell takes apart poor journalist
― dow, Thursday, 21 March 2013 23:27 (eleven years ago) link
Wow thanks tyler for the 93 show, I didn't have that one
― Brakhage, Friday, 22 March 2013 03:48 (eleven years ago) link
yesterday...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR3q6RegGHs
― Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 19 April 2013 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
cooool. even w/o lloyd, still sounding pretty good.
― tylerw, Friday, 19 April 2013 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
when they were on during that first reunion tour, they were amazing.
Yes. I saw them in Washington DC and they were good in a way few bands ever are. Saw them about 10 years later and they were awful.
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 19 April 2013 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i have a couple really bizarre early 00s shows where they seem to have forgotten how to play.
― tylerw, Friday, 19 April 2013 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
― tylerw, Friday, April 19, 2013 2:58 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lloyd may still be living in mpls, he played some weird show here a couple years ago, had an ad on our craigslist for guitar lessons....um i'm not sure how functional he is these days
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 April 2013 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
Who's replaced Lloyd?
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Friday, 19 April 2013 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
Great blog by Richard Williams
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Friday, 19 April 2013 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
i think that's jimmy rip on second guitar. he's a session guy who's collaborated with verlaine off and on. very skilled but not nearly as manic as lloyd.
― Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 19 April 2013 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
yeah jimmy ripp has been verlaine's second guitarist outside of television for 30+ years now. he knows the parts.
― tylerw, Friday, 19 April 2013 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
saw them in london in the early 00s and they were soooooo boring. broke my heart as they've always been one of my favourite bands, but they were so... tasteful. like, knopfleresque.
― media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Friday, 19 April 2013 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
i have a few good 00s shows by them, seems like it all depends on whether verlaine is interested in being there, which is probably only half of the time.
― tylerw, Friday, 19 April 2013 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
had an ad on our craigslist for guitar lessons
u should hit him up
― flopson, Friday, 19 April 2013 22:50 (eleven years ago) link
i follow him on facebook, he's always asking for students, even via skype, i think.
― tylerw, Friday, 19 April 2013 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
Which show Steve? QEH or ULU? Cos I saw them at ULU in maybe 04 and they killed. Finished with an incredible Psychotic Reaction.
The really weird one was the first gig in London after the reformation, at the Forum in 94 (or 93. I don't recall). Maybe 200 people there. Upstairs closed, downstairs almost completely empty. Verlaine asked for some blue light, and then the whole show was played under two blue spots and nothing else. I recall an amazing Little Johnny Jewel though.
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Saturday, 20 April 2013 00:44 (eleven years ago) link
It was the Shepherds Bush Empire, April 2001. Seems like I just caught a bad night - wish I'd been at the Forum show you describe, though.
― media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Saturday, 20 April 2013 08:39 (eleven years ago) link
saw them at the tortoise-curated all tomorrow's parties, and at their later ULU show. they were great both times - but the tension between verlaine and lloyd onstage was palpable, particularly at the ATP show, like almost uncomfortably so. the ATP gig started out very well-attended but the crowd soon started to thin out - think television are just a bit too 'sophisticated guitar solos' for the indie kid purists of days. they were much sloppier at the ULU show, but seemed to be enjoying themselves a bit more, and the one new song they played (something like 'sahara'???) was excellent. a year or so later verlaine and rip played a beautiful duo show at the 100 Club on Tottenham Court Road, and i'm not sure that TV has been back since.
― Ward Fowler, Saturday, 20 April 2013 14:35 (eleven years ago) link
new song you mention is probably this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYrTcCBM6hwverlaine's been playing it with and without television since like 1997.
― tylerw, Saturday, 20 April 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
btw looks like you can still grab this -- http://www.earcandyarchive.com/wp-content/uploads/resized/71.jpghttp://www.earcandyarchive.com/?p=24It was 7 years ago that I first heard Tom Verlaine say:“This here’s a newie….goes like this”
And finally a new Television album is nearing completion,albeit without Richard Lloyd, who left to persue TheRadiant Monkey and his own musical vision. So its sheerconjecture as to which of these new TV songs will have madeit into the studio along with replacement, Jimmy Rip.
Here, then, is a compilation of live performances of thosenew songs as performed in recent years. May this serve asa fitting farewell to Mr Lloyd’s involvement with the groupand an appreciation of his contribution to the evolving ofthese new songs.
These are audience recordings so sonic quality is not ideal.However,the passion is all there in the zeros & the ones…
01 I Could Sleep All Day (Washington DC 2003-03-24)02 Rise & Fall (London 2005-06-21)03 Frustration (Sao Paolo 2005-10-25)04 Flower Spasm (London 2005-06-21)05 Balloon (Washington DC 2003-03-24)06 Persia (London 2004-06-23)07 The Sea ((Hamburg 2004-06-18)
bonus tracks:08 Swells Pt 1 / Stars / Swells Pt 2 (Sao Paolo 2005-10-25)09 Stax (Hamburg 2004-06-18)10 Stockhausen Pysche Jam (London 2004-06-23)11 Bowie medley (London 2002-06-1812 Love Theme From Piranha (London 2002-06-18)13 “Hits On TV” (London 2002-06-19)
― tylerw, Saturday, 20 April 2013 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
Jeff Tweedy's wife Sue reportedly gave him lessons with Lloyd for his birthday once.
Can I tell my fave Television story again? Yeah? OK, cool. The last time I saw them, in 1998 or something, they were at the start of "Marquee Moon" when Lloyd broke a string. So as the band played the song, as a trio, he very calmly, and very slowly, moved aside and patiently changed the string. Very. Patiently. Took his sweet time. In fact, didn't strap the guitar back on until the last few seconds of the song. It was hilarious.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 April 2013 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
they're doing marquee moon in its entirety in australia this fallhttp://www.atpfestival.com/newsview/1304162359.php
― tylerw, Monday, 22 April 2013 14:52 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH8Iqv6LkVc&feature=player_embeddedweird! last weekend television played "i'm gonna find you" an unreleased tune from 1974. have they been listening to the old bootlegs?
― tylerw, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
Well you know there's this blog they may have stumbled upon
― willem, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 17:49 (eleven years ago) link
haha, that would be terrifying.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 17:51 (eleven years ago) link
I'm thinking people need to talk about Adventure more often!
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
let's talk about it! Television played this one last week, which they never did back in the day:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtSsXABdBNw
― tylerw, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:31 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtSsXABdBNw
i really like that song. the clientele do a groovy version but it doesn't appear to be on youtube.
― tylerw, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
Crazy, I've just seen these posts and I'm actually listening to 'The Fire' right now on my copy of Adventure! Great song, and absolutely wonderful guitar work as always. I can see why Adventure tends to get overlooked... it followed up a stone-cold classic in Marquee Moon, and its material is a touch more relaxed, maybe... but the more I listen to it, the more it gets its claws in me. There really isn't a song on Adventure I dislike, for what it's worth!
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:42 (eleven years ago) link
I recall Adventure getting a two star review in UNCUT for the reissue, alone with MM's five stars. Seemed really OTT rather than standing on its own merits (which it has). It's not MM but it's not a two star album either (IMO).
― Master of Treacle, Friday, 26 April 2013 00:12 (eleven years ago) link
Also surprised that, at that time (00s anyway), it seemed Adventure was getting quite a lot of credit on its own whilst keeping things realistic, rather than people dismissing it offhand just because it wasn't MM (and it isn't, but anyway..)
― Master of Treacle, Friday, 26 April 2013 00:15 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, that's more than a bit OTT, IMO... I definitely don't think Adventure is a two star record!
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Friday, 26 April 2013 00:23 (eleven years ago) link
finally watched the 1974 tape from ork's loft. verlaine is so animated, jumping around & smiling, kinda reminiscent of thurston moore circa 1983 & in fact the blurry untuned guitar sound resembled sonic youth to a startling degree. huh. too bad hell's mike didn't work but still a revelation.
― screen scraper (m coleman), Friday, 26 April 2013 11:10 (eleven years ago) link
I think my issue with Adventure is how it kinda fizzles out with the last track.
Now, it has the title track to 'end' it, which isn't exactly 'great' but it does what was needed.
C'mon! It has "Foxhole", "Careful" and "Aint that nothing". And "Glory", and and and....
― Mark G, Friday, 26 April 2013 11:16 (eleven years ago) link
Terry Ork's loft rehearsal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcGEcB5M4es
― The Cosimo Code of the Woosters (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 April 2013 14:22 (eleven years ago) link
"Persia" is my new jam
― The Cosimo Code of the Woosters (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 April 2013 14:37 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it's great, total trance music. i have one version that's close to 20 minutes.
― tylerw, Saturday, 27 April 2013 14:47 (eleven years ago) link
Get outta here, the solo is among the best guitar playing I've ever in my life
― Bees Against Racism (Tom D.), Saturday, 27 April 2013 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
Ever heard that is. LOL. And believe me I've tried to play it.
― Bees Against Racism (Tom D.), Saturday, 27 April 2013 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
I hate to say this, but Television could be the most underachieving band in the history of rock and roll. All that talent, the immortal debut, and that's pretty much it.
― kornrulez6969, Saturday, 27 April 2013 15:26 (eleven years ago) link
xxp: i've always wished for a side-long version of The Dream's Dream
― nerve_pylon, Saturday, 27 April 2013 15:37 (eleven years ago) link