rolling punk / non-indie underground 2013

new stnnng album is gonna smoke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvXG6nEWXeE

Izzy Pod, thanks for that.

i'd say that the bay area has many different scenes and factions, with some crossover. i'll break it down for you a bit.

- art/noise punks: i'd say that most of the band Izzy mentioned fall within this camp. tend towards either harsher noisy punk, minimal no-wave style, spastic sounds, or synth-punk. it's pretty diverse and pretty "pc" so to speak, but there's also some of the "let us use offensive imagery" bullshit (as in bands wearing Asatru symbols and other white supremacist related bullshit) within that camp. which is why....

- the anarcho-punk/crusty kids hate the art punks, but also engage in some heterosexist and homophobic shit from time to time, despite the fact that so many squatters and punks in the bay are queers. the sort of nasty shit that goes on in this scene mostly comes from...

- the metal and crossover kids, who are mostly fucking assholes. what's weird is that a lot of these people also are really into pop-punk, and are constantly at war with the art/noise punks because there is a noise/improv/weirdo music venue right next to a venerable old punk house in west oakland. no shit, when there are shows at that venue, the punk kids BLAST music from all the speakers in the house out the windows so that no one can go into the noise venue without being assaulted by punk spit and bile.

anyway. enough from me.

thanks for being really forthcoming, Izzy. sorry i didn't engage you in dialog at the time, but i was too pissed off to maintain composure. hope to see you again sometime.

do you guys listen to any european punk bands, new or old? i have been reading a lot of punk bands described as "euro-influenced" lately but i never know what they're referring to...

Concrete Sox have just cancelled all their upcoming shows.

xp any bands in particular? obv Europe is tiny etc etc but "euro-influenced" seems unhelpfully vague

hardcore punk bands i guess

if I was a betting man I'd envisage the more crazypants Italian and Finnish kinda bands from the 80s but yeah who knows really

there's still a finnish hardcore scene, as bands w/ unpronounceable names still come through town from time to time (and I'm in the US)

Any thoughts on the new Iceage album? Discussions on them are getting pretty heated lately

always been lukewarm on those guys, new album did nothing to sway me

more discussion here Iceage - You're Nothing

thought it was ok, "Burning Hand" and "You're Nothing" are the ones that stick out for me. New Brigade was better.

but yes the number of people retweeting an iceage pitchfork review and saying "fuck these Nazi assholes" is def on the uptick

been listening to the new pissed jeans. "cafeteria food" is funny to me.

you're dead
you died
and I'm feeling like http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyzolq3TtV1roaunyo1_250.gif

would be cool if they could sing a gif

pissed jeans and iceage are all good. not sure how i feel about iceage's politics, but i'm kinda used to that feeling of unease with metal bands.

I think Iceage write some really good songs (as in they sound awesome, but nothing groundbreaking), but the use of their imagery is stupid. It has nothing to do with their songs, so they have no reason to use it. I think if you're going to use imagery like that, you better have a reason, or be able to put it in context, like explain what you hope using those images will communicate. The way they just put it out there and refuse to talk about it just makes em seem like they want to stir up trouble in the easiest, laziest way possible. Not only that, but they've had tons of opportunities to defend themselves or at least give the images meaning, and instead, all they do is whine "we're not nazis, I don't get why everyone is so mad." I don't think theyre bigoted, or right wingers, I just think they did something stupid, and hopefully they learn from it as they grow up.

The way they just put it out there and refuse to talk about it just makes em seem like they want to stir up trouble in the easiest, laziest way possible.

if this is the case then it strikes me they've been largely unsuccessful in their efforts. to my knowledge the only outlets that have independently thrown accusations of fascism, or the imagery of such, out there is a blog from a year or so back, and an Australian music website last week, which took nearly all its observations from the previous blog. everyone else has been commenting off the back of these. the rest of your post is more or less otm the way I see it (although, unless there's something obvious I'm forgetting, none of the imagery or references that are catching them heat took place around the promo for the new album, and possibly not in the last 12 months - which makes it seem eminently possible to me that their interest in it is already fading)

bands using fascist imagery that aren't fascists = total bonerkill, incredibly lazy bullshit. GTFO as far as i'm concerned.

i think by euro people probably are talking about Finnish and Scandinavian hardcore in general, btw.

i want Skitsystem to come to the US again, btw.

http://www.chaosintejas.com/img/FLIER-0107_sm.jpg

lineup for this gets more :D every year

pretty sure i'm going this year :D

i didn't know the marked men were still around! fix my brain = all time classic

who's all in the damned nowadays i wonder?

bolt thrower AND manilla road!

i went in 09 & 10 and god i miss it

This looks mental:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/387082_523710637673600_1831411193_n.jpg

HIVE BENT
http://hivebentmd.bandcamp.com/

also batcave who is no longer a band i think
http://batcave.bandcamp.com/

i think some of you will like this

http://vimeo.com/60730900

Shit, that rules

in other news boston hardcore band brain killer have called it quits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJN9KSzze1g

from the garbage can school of hardcore aesthetics, the delightfully monikered meth sores

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfxVrsB1TPc

i think some of you will like this

http://vimeo.com/60730900

― flopson, Sunday, March 3, 2013 12:53 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i like this a lot and the video is siiiick

album is on bandcamp btw http://thighs.bandcamp.com//

the thing in vegas looks like my worst nightmare-- lots of craggy old dudes with lots of tats playing songs that i last thought were good when i was a teenager.

glad that you guys are digging thighs. they are ridiculously good live. don't think they'll be touring any time soon though as jared, the drummer, has obligations w/ his other group odonis odonis, who are currently touring w/ metz.

enjoy
http://vimeo.com/61179910

thighs live sessions recorded by my pal m4rsh4ll

http://www.cjlo.com/sessions/thighs-3213

love this band

http://goodthrob.bandcamp.com/album/culture-vulture-7-coming-soon

^endorsing this post

any other sweet london bands right now? they are from london right?

this was one of the best HC records I heard last year no question: http://staticshockrecords.bandcamp.com/album/no

ex-Shitty Limits, as are Good Throb

Saw Good Throb last year, I liked them, not heard any recordings yet tho. I did recognise a couple of them from other bands. I think that guy from Shitty Limits is in every new punk/hc band in the south of England at the moment. Just seen they are playing Scumfest this year and Doom has just been confirmed as a headliner so I'll most likely be seeing them again there.

I'm not exactly on the ball wrt new London bands these days, was going to suggest Petty Bone but apparently they broke up already.

they're just looking for a new drummer

the lowest form - hardcore punk. better than iceage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHsEliBEIa8

dogfeet - gothish/industrialish TGish. they're quite young. really like their vibe and attitude. would like to produce their record.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGepgHdpnRM

xpost pity, their old drummer was awesome

I thought the Lowest Form had split up as well?

big thumbs up to:

VISION FORTUNE - like them best when they're repeating themselves
EARTH ROD - super mega fun
THE FAMILY ELAN - weirdos
KOGUMAZA - gringo innit
HOOKWORMS - riffs n wah pedals n that
GOOD THROB - think they're mentioned on this thread

my gf was gonna play drums with em but she's in a millions bands so couldn't do it, which is a shame cuz i really liked petty bone. maybe they've split for good now, this was a good few months ago.

thought i saw the lowest form billed a couple of weeks ago? shame if they have split up. did you ever see 'the human race' play? loved that band.did a follow up band 'the remnants of the human race' for a bit, bit it died an early death :'(

yeah TLF are on this https://www.facebook.com/events/151012471726289 they own but unless you're their friend or w/e it's nearly impossible to know what they're up to it seems

the Quietus just threw up (so to speak) a Queer'd Science interview today, they are from Manchester not London and deserve <3

they remind me of 31G Records stuff from the 00s, Holy Molar and Ex Models f.e.

and are standup boys and girls too

the lowest form - hardcore punk. better than iceage.

it's good but i dunno is iceage the new punching bag cuz they broke out? that band isn't really doing remotely the same thing

whoops; specifically meant this e.p.: http://cleangirls.bandcamp.com/album/last-house-ep

thx, that's some good shit

(to give credit - I was hipped to it via Mosurock's tumblr: http://still-single.tumblr.com/)

http://www.npr.org/2013/09/01/216461958/first-listen-potty-mouth-hell-bent

Since the album was from 2013 and is still streaming and they're on tour in the US now (DC tomorrow night) I posted that here. Does NPR streaming status make them no longer non-indie?