worst contract out of these $100 million contracts

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I agree that its a little bizarre to give a guy a record-setting deal when he's not even a free agent yet, but you do have to consider that A) Seattle may have to overpay to get superstars and B) these contracts aren't ever built to be great in their last year or two. you overpay in the end because a guy who produces 8 WAR is really worth $45m or so and you can't pay that much in one year. that said Felix seems to cap out at 6 WAR. seems like another slight upside/massive downside signing but I guess Seattle feels they'll really be competitive in a few years?

frogbs, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 17:14 (eleven years ago) link

Vernon Wells would get a lot more votes if we did this poll today.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 17:26 (eleven years ago) link

Neyer wrote last week about the dodgy future of pitchers w/ Felix's workload, age etc.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 17:31 (eleven years ago) link

the Vernon Wells signing was obviously pretty bad but I'm much more baffled by the Angels trading for him after the awfulness of his contract was long since established

frogbs, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 15:14 (eleven years ago) link

Bonus points go to contracts that were indefensible at the time. Wells' was at least somewhat defensible -- he'd been a 4-5 win player on average up until then, still a good defender, and was entering his age-27 season. The market for outfielders was thin, and he was a popular homegrown player. I don't think the disaster signs were obvious compared to the Zito and Hampton signings (or A-Rod's 2007 re-up).

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago) link

Most of the debate was about giving superstar money to a guy who wasn't a true superstar. The Jays had been waiting for Wells to break out for a while and then paid him like the player they expected him to be, not the player he was. There are always guys like that e.g. Jay Bruce where people keep expecting a breakout season but it never comes and eventually you just accept that he is who he is. Even so, the argument was that the Jays were paying 5-6 win money for a 3-4 win player, but even that wouldn't have been so bad.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 16:09 (eleven years ago) link

i always appreciate being reminded how legendarily awful adam dunn's 2011 season was

mookieproof, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 16:09 (eleven years ago) link

Has anyone ever had a worse season? I mean usually the "worst case" scenario for these big guys in their 30's is that they wind up around 0-1 WAR like Wells has but I've never seen a dropoff so steep where it got to the point that the guy was actively way worse than replacement level and was outhit by like half the pitchers in the league. And he was in a situation where the Sox had really no choice but to play him. You might never see another season like that again!

frogbs, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 17:03 (eleven years ago) link

four months pass...

Not anywhere close to $100 million (relative peanuts, though not for you or me), but who knew that Bobby Bonilla was still getting--and will continue to get--million-dollar cheques for the next two decades?

clemenza, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:42 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

the highest paid relievers lolz

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2014/9/17/6264159/highest-paid-relievers-baseball

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 September 2014 14:14 (nine years ago) link

four months pass...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9c1IY7CEAI4C6n.jpg

zing

mookieproof, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 03:23 (nine years ago) link

1 war is worth abt 6m now on the market right?

Bringing the mosh (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 03:25 (nine years ago) link

after this year, yeah. chart should adjust for WARflation for the older deals.

AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 05:19 (nine years ago) link

Ryan Howard for the win!

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 12:54 (nine years ago) link

shin-soo choo's deal is looking awfully sketchy

mookieproof, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 16:15 (nine years ago) link

You could compare Choo's deal to Jayson Werth's -- high OBP guys with some pop (and collapsing defense) somehow getting paid superstar money in their 30's. Like Werth, I think Choo gets a pass for being hurt last year, when he's healthy he should still be a valuable player.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 17:17 (nine years ago) link

the matt cain deal isn't looking so hot either

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 17:43 (nine years ago) link

six months pass...

Somehow ended up on this article; I didn't realize the Braves were still paying Bruce Sutter for his 40 saves over three seasons (and will be until 2021).

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/01/bobby-bonillas-isnt-the-only-deferred-money-deal-in-the-game-and-isnt-even-the-worst/comment-page-1/

clemenza, Thursday, 13 August 2015 21:50 (eight years ago) link

That's insane. A $40M deal in 1985???

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 14 August 2015 09:28 (eight years ago) link

Found a timeline of the biggest contracts ever from '79 to 2007. Sutter smay have been behind a few people when he signed with the Braves (Winfield #1):

http://wezen-ball.com/2009-articles/the-history-of-the-highest-paid-player-in-baseball.html

It's the disconnect that amazes me. Sutter's from another universe, and he's apparently still on the payroll.

clemenza, Friday, 14 August 2015 13:43 (eight years ago) link

"may"

clemenza, Friday, 14 August 2015 13:43 (eight years ago) link

the payroll/salary 1 page team pages on b-r are really cool, like I did not appreciate that max scherzer will make a season salary of $42.1M starting in 2019

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/WSN/2015-payroll-salaries.shtml

johnny crunch, Thursday, 20 August 2015 13:23 (eight years ago) link

is there a way to look at all of baseball at once in that salary chart?

AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 20 August 2015 13:41 (eight years ago) link

not that I see

the $/yrs that tampa has archer at is criminal

whats the diff if someone is repped by Scott Boras v Boras Corp

johnny crunch, Thursday, 20 August 2015 14:17 (eight years ago) link

seven months pass...

Update (haven't read this yet):

http://baseball-players.pointafter.com/stories/10927/100-million-dollar-contracts-mlb

clemenza, Monday, 21 March 2016 13:49 (eight years ago) link

I completely forgot Carlos Lee existed

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 21 March 2016 18:29 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Jacoby Ellsbury is on pace to become one of the worst free-agent signings in New York Yankees history. He still has plenty of time to change the narrative -- his contract, for goodness' sake, doesn't end until after the 2020 season -- but as Yogi supposedly once said, "It gets late early around here."

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/yankees/post/_/id/91743/153m-man-jacoby-ellsbury-continues-to-look-bad

Andy K, Friday, 8 April 2016 22:38 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

nats def got some value out of it but the back half of this ELEVEN year ryan Zimmerman contract is looking p rough

2009 24 Washington Nationals $3,325,000
2010 25 Washington Nationals $6,350,000
2011 26 Washington Nationals $9,025,000
2012 27 Washington Nationals $12,000,000
2013 28 Washington Nationals $14,000,000
2014 29 Washington Nationals $14,000,000
2015 30 Washington Nationals $14,000,000

2016 31 Washington Nationals $14,000,000
2017 32 Washington Nationals $14,000,000
2018 33 Washington Nationals $14,000,000
2019 34 Washington Nationals $18,000,000
2020 35 Washington Nationals *$18,000,000 $18M Team Option, $2M Buyout

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 10 May 2016 19:15 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

took a glance @ the balance of that chris davis contract 2day:

2019 33 Baltimore Orioles $23,000,000
2020 34 Baltimore Orioles $23,000,000
2021 35 Baltimore Orioles $23,000,000
2022 36 Baltimore Orioles $23,000,000
Earliest Free Agent: 2023

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 18:49 (five years ago) link

there's been some pretty fantastic disasters in the seven years since we did this poll – I still think Hampton is the worst.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 18:59 (five years ago) link

i don't know, that ryan howard 2012-16 extension (at more than $25 million per year, i think) turned out to be pretty awful.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link

pujols' may turn out to be worse but the disaster is still unfolding

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 19:10 (five years ago) link

ya, that's the only that gives me pause.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 19:16 (five years ago) link

Wanted to say Mauer was a contender but he’s actually been a solid player, just not the perennial MVP contender/batting champ they thought he would continue to be.

omar little, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 19:21 (five years ago) link

the vernon wells deal deserves some love -- as does the fact that the angels traded for it

mookieproof, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 19:41 (five years ago) link

Angels are the “best” at this in some way. Never forget Josh Hamilton.

omar little, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 19:56 (five years ago) link

Chris Davis is on par for a -4.0 WAR season, lmao

not really sure how to answer this since there are a lot of different factors at play but I do think the Ryan Howard one gets special consideration because that one was so obviously doomed from the start, even a best-case projection of how Howard would age wouldn't even come close to $125m in value

frogbs, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 20:30 (five years ago) link

might as well start using chris davis as a relief pitcher at this point. he wasn't bad the... one? two times he pitched?

challops trap house (Will M.), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 20:34 (five years ago) link

the howard deal is extra special because iirc it didn't even kick in for a couple seasons -- completely unnecessary

mookieproof, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 20:43 (five years ago) link

plus there was virtually no competition for him. was anyone really gonna offer a 32-year old slugger anything close to that?

frogbs, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 20:59 (five years ago) link

If Chris Davis gets to -4.0 WAR then he might be the winner. That's nearly as much (negative) value as all five years of Ryan Howard's extension!

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 13 July 2018 07:17 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

eric hosmer's eight-year/$144m deal is not off to a good start

93 wRC+, 0.3 bWAR, -0.6 fWAR at age 28 in the *first* year of the deal

mookieproof, Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:32 (five years ago) link

Just think, the Padres can build up their team around the hosmer core for the next 7 years, they’re gonna be great

Karl Malone, Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:13 (five years ago) link

what we've learned from all this is . . . never sign first basemen. don't even sign ian desmond and inexplicably move him to first. put a reliever there if you want, or better yet just field eight players

mookieproof, Thursday, 2 August 2018 23:40 (five years ago) link

Scott Hatteberg

timellison, Friday, 3 August 2018 00:20 (five years ago) link

two months pass...

wasnt sure where to put this but whoa damn kenta maeda is on a team friendly deal

2016 28 Los Angeles Dodgers $3,125,000
2017 29 Los Angeles Dodgers $3,125,000
2018 30 Los Angeles Dodgers $3,125,000
2019 31 Los Angeles Dodgers $3,125,000
2020 32 Los Angeles Dodgers $3,125,000
2021 33 Los Angeles Dodgers $3,125,000
2022 34 Los Angeles Dodgers $3,125,000
2023 35 Los Angeles Dodgers $3,125,000
Earliest Free Agent: 2024

johnny crunch, Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:32 (five years ago) link

hm ok i guess some incentives too, had physical "irregularities"

https://www.truebluela.com/2016/1/7/10733574/kenta-maeda-contract-details-dodgers-risk-bonuses

johnny crunch, Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:36 (five years ago) link

I guess Toronto inherited Tulowitzki's contract, but his arrival here coincided with him hitting the $20M mark.

2007	22	Colorado Rockies	$381,000	?		
2008 23 Colorado Rockies $750,000 ?
2009 24 Colorado Rockies $1,000,000 ?
2010 25 Colorado Rockies $3,500,000 3.033
2011 26 Colorado Rockies $5,500,000 4.033
2012 27 Colorado Rockies $8,250,000 5.033 contracts
2013 28 Colorado Rockies $10,000,000 6.033 contracts
2014 29 Colorado Rockies $16,000,000 7.033 contracts
2015 30 Toronto Blue Jays $20,000,000 8.033 contracts
2016 31 Toronto Blue Jays $20,000,000 9.033
2017 32 Toronto Blue Jays $20,000,000 10.033 contracts
2018 33 Toronto Blue Jays $20,000,000 11.033
2019 34 Toronto Blue Jays $20,000,000
2020 35 Toronto Blue Jays $14,000,000
2021 36 Toronto Blue Jays *$15,000,000 $15M Team Option, $4M Buyout

I don't know how long it was before we started paying the whole amount. Anyway, the Jays are on the hook until 2021. For that, we got...a symbolic jolt out of the deal in 2015 (day after or day before getting Price, I think), great defense that first year, a few key hits, and not much else ever since.

clemenza, Thursday, 1 November 2018 23:50 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

We compared every MLB player who has signed for at least $100 mil. Two of the many takeaways: get'em when they're young (like Machado and Harper); shy away from the second big deal.https://t.co/BpykPfKpgU

— Joe Ward (@wardnyt) February 20, 2019

mookieproof, Wednesday, 20 February 2019 22:01 (five years ago) link


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