2.0 garbage version two point poll 2.0

"Special" is a great song don't get me wrong but it feels odd to see those as the 1-2 hit.

funny you said "don't get me wrong"

I'll stand by that statement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Bj8wrXslk

well, "Special" was a shrewd third single release in the U.S. for that reason.

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, February 7, 2013 6:21 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The shrewd third single they flogged for about six months* in hopes of a big crossover that didn't quite arrive, and in some senses the beginning of the end for them.

*Somewhere in storage I have a vhs tape with their TWO seperate Tonight Show appearances to promote the single (one late '98, the other 1st quarter '99)

It's interesting to think about Garbage being too late for grunge but too early for the kind of misfit-pop they inadvertently blueprinted on the second and (particularly) third albums.

circa 2001 all of the lesbians I knew who didn't reject pop music en masse were obsessed with "Cherry Lips" - this is the same crowd who later became absolutely obsessed with Pink (though only with or following I'm Not Dead, I think) - however it seems like it was too late for Garbage to really cash in on that and/or they'd already reverted to "real" rock by that point.

Huh these are extremely bizarre results to me - phone skipped to the posts about two obvious winners, I was like yeah duh Push It and Dumb, then scrolled to the top and my jaw dropped

Relistening to the debut now: rtc otm about both the blackout connexion (esp in Queer, but how had I never noticed that Shirley shares a bit of Britney's weird frog machine thing?) and the drums on the incredible As Heaven Is Wide

A Stroke Of Luck is gorgeous too

I'm listening to the debut right now as well!

But only up to "Stupid Girl" so I'm not able to offer any sharp re-evaluative thoughts on underrated album tracks yet.

This was actually one of the first albums I bought back in 1995, and at the time the drum loops and the like seemed excellent but not especially remarkable, in some ways almost like a more satisfyingly fleshed out and grunty version of the production on Jagged Little Pill.

My Lover's Box >>>

Really I'm mostly reminded how powerful those anguished, self-loathing lyrics delivered as if they were threats and as if the singer was the most powerful being in the world were

Production-wise I don't think I made the JLP connection then or now: it's like a heavier Sneaker Pimps (and the template Tori took REALLY out there on Venus/Choirgirl) (and PJ on Desire?), and was like my token rock-because-it-sounds-like-trip-hop album

It's also weird how the Britney thing is inescapable when listening to the debut but NOT Version 2.0

Oh sorry I meant to say: I think that's what i thought at the time but not now. But yeah it also fit in with Portishead and Bjork and etc. that I was listening to, to some extent at least (the other stuff you mentioned obv coming afterwards).

Re Britney, that's the ennervated quality, yeah?

"A Stroke of Luck" SO GOOD.

There's a kind of bleary quality to the production which is very trip hop (and which actually not many major label people had picked up on circa 1995 - but it was everywhere by the following year) - whereas the second album is too pristine to give that vibe.

(also Depeche Mode's Songs of Faith & Devotion - I'd expect that was a big reference point for Butch going into this?)

"Stupid Girl" really stood out as the most perfectly realised of the singles on this listen.

It sure is! "Queer" has worn the worst imo.

Possibly. It was my favourite at the time.

nah Queer totally held up this morning, it's def the one Britney should cover

I was never a huge fan of Stupid Girl and I think Only Happy When It Rains should probably be relegated to karaoke fun status

Milk is still incredible

og or tricky mix

(well both obv but i have never decided which i prefer)

both, and same

maybe the tricky mix just for the added angle?

Tricky remix was some of dude's prettiest work.

his single with creep and alejandra deheza last year reminded me of "milk" (though not as good)

Good point about SOFAD and the electro-goth/trip hop nexus. Put the Portishead remix of In Your Room next to the Tricky and Massive Attack mixes of Milk and it makes total sense.

wookie might have made a good garbage remixer, always so well attuned to goth vengeance

Yeah his remix of "Bulletproof" would have been a classic if it was a remix of Garbage rather than La Roux.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGGYzcs8fsM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP63o79qyu0

zomg

finally a proper soundtrack for evading goblins while out shopping

"stupid girl" is one of those cases of "obvious sample makes song kind of surprising forever" re: the "train in vain" drums

THIS IS THE NOISE THAT KEEPS ME AWAKE
MY HEAD EXPLODES AND MY BODY ACHES
LET THE BEATS GO WILD

Or whatever she hisses

I bet you wish you could let it go
You'll never COME
sucking your THUMB
Better off DUMB

why are all the best ilx posts about garbage

anyway i don't admit this on the thread but i heard version 2.0 first which is probably actually why i prefer it to the debut, beyond tim's point about its embrace of bubblegum upthread

some A+ posts here

Meritricious vajazzling!

for the tautologous thot

the guitar solo in "supervixen" sounds like my cat

the feline star that you cannot live without

The bass in "Temptation Waits" sounds like my boyfriend a few years ago when we broke up.

I understand at last: the Pumpkins leave me cold because Garbage's plastic gothic overstatement exists.

lol my roommate was just telling me about when she saw garbage open for sp

"shirley manson tended to stick her hands in her armpits a lot"

alfred you can sing "shattered dreams" over "vow"

I tried. So much for your promises.

lol i was only imagining it

*exegesis about how this is the sophistipop evolution of grunge*