Sources tell SI Alex Rodriguez tested positive for steroids in 2003

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Was it Cowherd who said he was "certain" A-Rod has never used steroids?

MLB Network coverage of this is hilarious.

SHOCKING

bosscat
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Joe: It is good to see that someone is finally asking whether the MLBPA should be held responsible for allowing their players to be outed like this.

In late 2002, I worked for an agent and one of our clients asked us to get more information about the upcoming drug testing. Gene Orza was incredibly condescending in explaining to us that a positive test could never be used against a player because no personally identifying information would be kept. Guess that didn't work out for ARod or anyone else. The MLBPA's high-priced lawyers should have known this information could not be kept confidential if subject to a government inquiry.

I share this story because I think the players must take a long, hard look at the leadership of its union. The players have not been helped at all by the union on this issue. In fact the MLBPA's arrogance has continually put the players in a horrible position as it relates to the whole PED issue.
Feb 07, 2009 11:21 AM

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yeah this kinda falls under "who cares" imo

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i guess David Eckstein is gonna make da Hall!

the worst side effect of 'roids

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lol this is wonderful can we get jeter next

i'm squarely in the 'dont care either way about steroids' camp but if jeter ever tested positive my entire world would be turned upside down

dude was/still is my hero

So... you do care about steroids then.

(As a cycling fan I say fuck anyone who dopes in whatever sport. Fuck their careers and fuck their place in the history books. Cheats, the lot of them.)

And Richard Justice agrees with me.

mars2001
(28654)MLB has outsourced enforcement to the Associated Press.

Feb 07, 2009 18:55 PM link rating: 4

Mark, first, do you know Willie Mays was said to have used liquid amphetamines late in his career?

More to the point, your standard (cycling, lol) should mean that means no one from 1985-2004 should go in the Hall. Ever.

Anthony Rieber of Newsday:

I double-dog guarantee you that one year a new Hall of Famer who got away with it will stand up at his induction speech and everyone will celebrate how he did it the clean way, and we will never know the truth. That he wasn't clean at all.

Here's what I know: With or without steroids, Alex Rodriguez and Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens were three of the greatest players in baseball history. They competed at a time when a good number of players opposing them were also using steroids, and they were still by far the best.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-sprieber0209,0,5327125.column

Alex Rodriguez - age 33 comparables:

Sammy Sosa, Ken Caminiti, Bobby Grich, Dave Winfield

With or without steroids, Alex Rodriguez and Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens were three of the greatest players in baseball history.

i never get this line of reasoning because those three guys didn't need steroids to be the greatest. we're not talking about some schmuck who's trying to start the year on the major league roster instead of in AAA.

without steroids barry bonds and roger clemens were two of the greatest players in baseball history - with steroids they were the two greatest players in baseball history

also clemens got hot stuff rubbed all over his balls by some dude

roger clemens was certainly not the greatest pitcher in baseball history! top 20? top 30?

^hall of fame either way

I think by the numbers he's the best post-WW2, which, if you accept that athletes are getting better all the time, makes him the best. (kinda like Babe Ruth, arriving in a time machine from the 1920s, would be lucky to make a 2009 major-league roster)

top 30 o_O

One thing I love is about the coverage is that there is anachronistic anti-revisionism going on... ie, in Stark's article:

"He was the one man on the planet with the chance to resuscitate the greatest record in sports. He was the one man on the planet with the chance to rebuild his sport's sacred bridge to the glory days. And now he'll never get that back, no matter how many more home run trots he makes."

In 2003 Bonds had 613 HRs...

There's also this naive undertone that A-Rod began juicing in 2003... c'mon now!

jayson stark is a moron obvs, but i still think this story sucks.

let's import a nonjuiced NFL player who can hit to RESUSCITATE BASEBALL

Neon Deion?

^^^ would pay to watch

yes morbs that really cuts to the heart of the issue.

What "issue"? Why, precisely, should I care about steroids in baseball?

i'm not saying one should or shouldn't care but there's a smugness to some of the "who cares" contingent (and i'm not talking about morbs or anyone here) with the subtext that anyone who does care is a naive retard.

but people experience fandom in different ways. i care fuck all for "the history of baseball" but some people love that shit and alltime records and whatnot; those people probably care about steroids. i like baseball on a micro level and think there is (or should be) an essential honesty in the pitcher/batter matchup so yeah i care a bit about steroids.

What "honesty"? How does integrity feature into one guy throwing a ball and another guy trying to hit it?

They have a testing system and penalties now (as flawed as they are, ie, guys are using undetectable stuff and will whenever they can). A "violation" at a time when there were NO PENALTIES is not one you can apply the "Hall of Fame ban" to, and remain reasonable.

What "honesty"? How does integrity feature into one guy throwing a ball and another guy trying to hit it?

― nosotros niggamos (HI DERE), Monday, February 9, 2009 11:41 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

are you being serious with that second question?

morbs, that's exactly right. however, i could really give a rat's ass about the hall of fame. it's just annoying to me to think that when a batter faces a pitcher, that batter may (without anyone's knowledge) be taking substances that make it more likely for his fly ball to become a home run than had he not been taking those substances.

i dont know abt personal integrity but the lol uneven playing field in baseball (tho more due to lack of a salary cap than steroids imo) has def hurt mlb - cause u know games are dependent on rules having some integrity

xxp: more pitchers than hitters have been caught abusing PEDs since the testing began.

This isn't a baseball slam, btw; I am hard-pressed to think of a single sport where I am concerned about the impact of alleged performance-enhancing controlled substances because I see them as an acceleration of something that is already happening anyway. People are becoming bigger, stronger, and faster by virtue of the wealth of our society and our obsession/insistence on "eating properly"; we know so much more about nutrition now, plus our livestock sciences are so thoroughly inundated with a myriad of substances to increase food production, that it seems that throwing in steroids is not going to give you an appreciable boost insurmountable by anyone else. Even if it does, if everyone else gets access to the same substances, it levels the playing field again, so I don't really see it as an issue. The people involved are adults; if they want to decide to do this, they are well within their rights. If they get caught and there are penalties, they will pay them. I still don't think they're "ruining the game". The game is the game; it always has been and it always will be. Players change all the time, records shuffle all over the place and it doesn't matter because 100 years from now someone else will be atop that leaderboard whether steroids are involved or not.

the lol uneven playing field in baseball (tho more due to lack of a salary cap)

Salary cap likely wouldn't work in MLB. Maybe someone can find that Prospectus bit a couple weeks ago that explained why.

I also want to point out that unless you're dealing with identically-raised clones, there will always be an imbalance between pitcher and hitter regardless of the use of steroids. I think people have a completely warped idea of what steroids actually do; they aren't magic make-you-perform-better pills.

im sure they could work something out doesnt have to be a hard cap - basketball has the whole bird rights system - just something where the rich teams dont take all the good players - obv they already have revenue sharing and the thing w/draft picks but its just not enough

dan they are basically magic make u perform better pills - obv yr starting w/a baseline talent - but theyll give a guy w/warning track power big home run numbers every time

Also guys, and this is important, Alex Rodriguez is a gigantic preening douche, and something embarrassing and 'image'-sullying has happened to him so let's keep our eyes on the prize and enjoy this as a cause for celebration.

otm

Stark and others who are so precious about the damn records: OF dimensions, mound height, balls and bats, playing surfaces, DH, number of teams, length of schedule, and uh, oh yeah, racism -- all things that have had equal or greater effect on "hallowed" records than steroids.

Many xposts, nosotros y (*ﾟーﾟ)θ L(。･＿･)　　　°~ヾ(･ε･ *) particularly OTM.

theyll give a guy w/warning track power big home run numbers every time

this is OTM. baseball is affected by this more than, say, basketball, where strength is important but doesn't translate so instantly into tangible results. the tiniest augmentation of force applied at the moment of impact has a big consequence. yes you still have to be able to hit major league pitching, which is beyond the grasp of 99.99 percent of the population, but if you can do that, bigger muscles translate directly into better hitting performance. it doesn't help with running or defense so much though and could actually hinder them (in the Old Days, ballplayers were leery of weightlifting because they were worried about becoming "musclebound")

David Wells (A PITCHER) stated that "25 to 40 percent of all Major Leaguers are juiced".[2003]

José Canseco stated on 60 Minutes and in his tell-all book Juiced that as many as 85% of players used steroids, and that he credited steroid use for his entire career.[2005]

wtffffff

ha ha omg

that letterman bit was the 1st thing i thought of when b---h t--s broke

Alex Rodriguez was an insecure prima donna who made a clubhouse attendant load his toothbrush with toothpaste after every game in his three seasons with the Texas Rangers, a new book charges. The Rangers were also required to send a basket of food to the controversial All-Star's hotel suite during road trips, Sports Illustrated columnist Selena Roberts reports in "A-Rod." Many Texas teammates kept their distance from A-Rod, who they saw as a spoiled superstar. His relationship with other players didn't improve when Rodriguez joined the Yankees in 2004. His Bomber teammates regarded A-Rod as a phony and a hypocrite because he tried to project an All-American public image while pursuing a swinger's lifestyle. During a series in Texas, Roberts writes, A-Rod went to a sex club while his wife, Cynthia, pregnant with their first child, was at home in New York. Rodriguez also turned off teammates by bragging about wild nights with strippers - and by making clumsy passes at other players' wives and girlfriends.

I wonder what kind of toothpaste A-Rod uses.

Hey did you guys hear that A-Rod sez he's going to write a book about Selena Roberts in response. It's called "S-Rob". Apparently she's not well like by her fellow Sports Illustrated writers. Also she blows her nose really loudly. Talks with food in her mouth. Makes Sports Illustrated staffers bring her coffee in the morning. Apparently she's constantly complaining about her lousy sex life and was always trying to get Rick Reilly to take her out on dates.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/shysterball/article/selena-roberts-a-rod-and-impartiality/

http://shysterball.blogspot.com/2007/12/new-york-times-rod-hatchet-job.html

Yeah I think it's clear that the book is not going to be a balanced look at A-Rod: The Man, The Myth.

wow that blog spend a lot of time saying nothing

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/09/13/timesselect/roberts.184.jpg

you know i saw her on tv nine months ago
i was shocked in my minds eye she was a wiry black woman making it big at a big city newspaper

her eye fucked up

"Roberts was hated by the New York Times photographer who took her bio picture. "She kept trying to move the lights around and she kept mispronouncing my name on purpose," said Fred Conrad later, "she was won of the hardest people I've ever had to deal with. The green blouse she ended up wearing well that was like the fifteenth one she tried on and after every change she had to do another string of makeup applications to make sure 'that her complexion matched'." Conrad claimed the craziest part was that end of shoot she gave him her card and whispered that he should call him."

so looking forward to "bitch tits" chants at Fenway during nationally televised broadcasts, this is going to rule

― sanskrit, Friday, May 1, 2009 8:50 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

the signs pretty much wrote themselves

the boon to red sox fans was the first thing i thought of

wow that blog spend a lot of time saying nothing

not really

lol:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jeff_pearlman/05/01/arod.griffey/index.html?bcnn=yes

Less than a year ago, people were not merely speculating how many career home runs he would hit (800? 850? 900? 950?), but also how his name atop the all-time list would return Aaron-esque decency to a record book poisoned by Bonds' regrettable presence. Rodriguez was the Brad Pitt of baseball -- the pretty boy with chops who could carry a big-budget adventure through the summer.

Now, with the latest revelations, the comparison to Pitt seems ludicrous. Instead, Rodriguez brings to mind a slightly different fabled theatrical figure -- one who, 20 years ago, took America by storm. At the time, we fell in love with Spuds MacKenzie because the bull terrier brought spark and pizzazz to the otherwise mundane world of beer advertising. He was cute and funny and talented and engrossing.

Then, we learned the truth. Spuds, a lady-killer in ads, was actually a girl. Her real name was Honey Tree Evil Eye, and she didn't even like beer.

Turns out, ol' Spuds MacKenzie was nothing special after all.

Just another dog.

Selena Roberts book on Spuds was just brutal. Apparently he liked to tear up flower beds! And he once peed on a baby carriage. Other dogs didn't like him at the dog park, etc. . .

that's maybe the most hilarious sub-plaschke reach for significance i have ever seen

Now, with the latest revelations, the comparison to Pitt seems ludicrous.
Now, with the latest revelations, the comparison to Pitt seems ludicrous.
Now, with the latest revelations, the comparison to Pitt seems ludicrous.
Now, with the latest revelations, the comparison to Pitt seems ludicrous.
Now, with the latest revelations, the comparison to Pitt seems ludicrous.
Now, with the latest revelations, the comparison to Pitt seems ludicrous.
Now, with the latest revelations, the comparison to Pitt seems ludicrous.
Now, with the latest revelations, the comparison to Pitt seems ludicrous.

I am excited to have this opportunity to say that I really hate Jeff Pearlman's writing.

the bull terrier brought spark and pizzazz to the otherwise mundane world of beer advertising. He was cute and funny and talented and engrossing.

wow i'm really happy i haven't bothered to track down his book on the cowboys yet.

Spuds MacKenzie was a dog.

A good dog.

A very good dog.

But every dog has its day.

And it was a day that we'll never forget, although Rodriguez hopes that we will one day.

Selena Roberts has done what nobody thought was possible -- she put that dog on a leash. And fed it apple juice instead of beer.

It turned out that the dog liked the juice. OH HO, SEE WHAT I DID THERE??

GUYS, THESE ARE PEARLS OF WISDOM!

I am going to learn to tell the fake excerpts from real

Why would you want to do that? Live in the mystery!

morbs, in the epilogue roberts writes about how, even though he wasn't very popular with his teammates, a-rod was very popular with his local crew of obama canvassers. one time, she writes, he treated them all to a showing of "i love you man"

Now see that's not at all credible.

"i love you man" is a metaphor for "the fun cooker".

"I worked out with him when he was 18. He could lift almost as much as I could"
Apr 30, 2009
Jose Canseco

"At 18, he could deadlift 300 pounds and his breasts were larger than some of my ex-girlfriends'. Me and Mark (McGwire) couldn't believe what we were seeing. He didn't need any help with his injections, he just fearlessly plunged these huge needles into his own oily, rippled ass without a second thought. Mark said to me one day, "that kid is the future of this sport". I rubbed my nipples and tried to laugh to laugh it off, but I knew he was right."

-- Jose Canseco, May 2, 2009

we thought spuds was fun. it turned out he was a chick. wtf spuds.

For her, a key insight into A-Rod's character comes with what some might call a fib: He tells people he hit with wood bats in high school because that's what the pros use, even though she found photo evidence he used metal.

SELENA ROBERTS, DID YOU WRITE WITH PENS IN HIGH SCHOOL?

Yes, I did.

WE HAVE OBTAINED PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE THAT YOU USED A PENCIL.

OK, there was this --

YOU HAVE TOLD WHAT SOME MIGHT CALL A FIB. WE FEEL THIS IS A TREMENDOUS INSIGHT INTO YOUR CHARACTER. (EVEN THOUGH IT IS POSSIBLE WE HAVE A PICTURE OF YOU USING A PENCIL THE ONE DAY YOU USED A PENCIL IN HIGH SCHOOL) IT IS APPARENT THAT YOU HAVE TOLD US YOU USED PENS AS A WAY TO PRODUCE THE ILLUSION THAT YOU WERE PERFECT IN HIGH SCHOOL, THAT YOU WERE SO PERFECT THAT YOU DID NOT NEED TO USE A PENCIL -- A WRITING INSTRUMENT WITH AN ERASER, AFTER ALL. YOU WOULD TRANSPOSE LETTERS, USE IMPERFECT GRAMMAR, AND MAKE OTHER MISTAKES AS YOU WROTE IN CLASSES. YOU USED A WRITING INSTRUMENT WITH AN ERASER AS A SAFETY NET -- YOUR ONLY BARRIER BETWEEN PERFECTION AND ABJECT FAILURE. YOU ARE A SAD, MISERABLE LITTLE PERSON.

But, I --

SORRY, GOTTA RUN. BOB COSTAS IS CALLING.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/26/alg_arod-kate.jpg

A-Rod went 0-for-4 Saturday - but he made it to first base anyway.

The randy Yankees slugger and stunning actress Kate Hudson put on a very public display of affection for the first time, locking lips during the team's annual family picnic.

Hudson, 33, was also spotted giving Rodriguez a big squeeze as the lovestruck pair canoodled following the Bombers' loss to the Oakland A's.

A-Rod's focus wasn't just on his flaming hot new gal pal. The Yankees star also spent time playing with daughters Ella, 1, and Natasha, 4, who were dressed in their Yankees best.

Notably absent from the family fest was A-Rod's ex-wife, Cynthia Rodriguez, whom he divorced last fall.

The very public smooching puts to rest rumors that Rodriguez, 33, and Hudson are just close friends.
Hudson, the daughter of Goldie Hawn, is believed to have met A-Rod last November in Miami.

Since then, she has been spotted slipping into Rodriguez's swanky midtown pad and cheering him on from the front row at several Yankees games.

The couple was first photographed together two weeks ago in Beverly Hills.

In recent years, A-Rod's exploits off the field have garnered as much attention as his slugging.

His rumored conquests include Madonna and a Las Vegas stripper, with whom he was photographed in a Toronto hotel two years ago while he was still married.

and a las vegas stripper? this guy