2.0 garbage version two point poll 2.0

(she had purple hair and wore a little bell around her neck. lol.)

on which song is that?

all of em

"Hammering In My Head" is the secret (more successful) blueprint for the new The Knife single.

What is the filler on the first album? Is this commonly agreed upon? Without having listened again yet I instinctively feel the answer is "Dog New Tricks" and "Not My Idea".

"As Heaven is Wide," "Fix Me Now," those two you mentioned, "Milk."

"Hammering In My Head" is the secret (more successful) blueprint for the new The Knife single.

― Tim F, Wednesday, February 6, 2013 9:55 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

hah was thinking that the breathed vocals in 'push it' put me in the same headspace as some of karin's vocals

i think i first heard "push it" after catching the video on mtv and the ramping pre-chorus made me absolutely CRAVE it, to the point where i watched mtv for hours on end waiting to see the video again. only did this with a few songs (en vogue's "free your mind" is the other one i remember immediately)

Voted "when I grow up" but the album is solid start to finish

Reading this I seriously need to revisit

the thing i like about "push it" is when she says THIS IS THE NOISE THAT KEEPS ME AWAKE there's a weird whirring noise that until that point has not appeared in the song

it's like that fever ray song w the boomerang but not as on-the-nose

What is the filler on the first album? Is this commonly agreed upon? Without having listened again yet I instinctively feel the answer is "Dog New Tricks" and "Not My Idea".

― Tim F, Thursday, 7 February 2013 02:56 (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"As Heaven is Wide," "Fix Me Now," those two you mentioned, "Milk."

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 February 2013 03:09 (11 hours ago) Bookmark

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bend me break me any way you need me

not really seeing an adequate response to tim's entirely valid "yes but she is not supremely annoying when indulged" point, like pray tell how is 'when i grow up' anything other than dire

then again perhaps i shouldnt be surprised at alf's myopia towards overconceited twaddle

I don't see her indulged on the second album like she is on the third and fourth, in which she comes off as the worst kind of cipher, but I appreciate the compliments!

"not my idea" is the only really cringey misstep on the debut - but even then that's just distance talking, i remember loving it at the time. "milk" and "as heaven is wide" were and continue to be excellent. i concede "fix me now" is not great.

the trouble with the second album is that its uniformity might be a strength to it as an album but also means that the lesser songs, like "when i grow up" and "sleep together", really seem pointless: they're exactly like the great songs but underdone (or overdone)

also i definitely don't get this whole "second album is all about shirley manson, first album could be anyone" thing at all - maybe she's not as focused on one aspect of her persona on the first but that whole glam/goth/grump thing totally comes through loud & strong

"When I Grow Up" has so much going on, with the mix balancing every sonic crunch and melodic burst. I love Vig's drum fills, GOD I'M PREGNANT, the way the baby hook gets dropped at exactly the right moments. It's an example of what makes the album an A: they massaged good songs; form matched content.

Lex otm. xp

it's an overstatement to say she's anonymous on the first but the general persona is basically more generic (as "that whole glam/goth/grump thing" proves)

totally reject the proposition that the first album is any less a work of machine-tooled precision than the second, it's just more lurid in the latter as meretricious vajazzling meets shrill faux-bubblegum naff posturings

admiring 'meretricious vajazzling'

alfred otm about "when i grow up" though

You can spent time and money on a machine only to watch it sputter and wheeze every couple miles.

tune in next week for more ♪♫ buuuullshit epigraaaams ♫♪

the first album might have its weaker moments but none are remotely egregious, where does it "sputter and wheeze"

ever since making a somewhat contorted analogy between s/t and britney's blackout i have 'as heaven is wide' and 'heaven on earth' twinned in a swooping gliding two-part embrace

"when i grow up" has the "chaos rules when we're apart" (lol) part where there's two little stabs of beat which are the best part and which never recur, forcing you to play the song again. and the "sha-la-la" climax that ends with the sound of a digital zipper closing up the track. there's so many noises and sonic jokes on this album; it's aggressive and unpredictable and really really generous, which is part of why manson's overwhelming high-maintenance posturing works so much better: when it's thin or trite or protesting too much (polite of everyone to mention "on a cruise to freak you out" but not the ridiculous line right before it) it's carried by the noise, which sounds like the girl she is trying to be.

I can only think of a couple tracks from beautifulgarbage that use the noises to such complimentary and complementary effect.

Pitch-shifted vox on I Think I'm Paranoid...

'i think i'm paranoid' is one of those songs where it's literally impossible for me to listen to with fresh ears

"As Heaven Is Wide" is awesome iirc.

damn.
all these hidden sounds of humour.
going to have to listen a lot more closely from hereon.
all i hear is a mighty fine alt.rock album with some cracking tunes that rarely fail to deliver the payback ..

it's an overstatement to say she's anonymous on the first but the general persona is basically more generic (as "that whole glam/goth/grump thing" proves)

totally reject the proposition that the first album is any less a work of machine-tooled precision than the second, it's just more lurid in the latter as meretricious vajazzling meets shrill faux-bubblegum naff posturings

― r|t|c, Thursday, 7 February 2013 3:29 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post

to build on this excellent post (although i obv like the second album a lot more than ^^^) Shirley's persona on the first album is part of its machine-tooled precision: the tape loop noises and the non-specific angst both express the same impulse of wanting to pinpoint (and build a monument to) that which was modern in "alt" (I'd use "grunge" but its a bit too narrow) -to decouple it from its humanist tendencies.

Clearly the idea behind Version 2.0 was to place a bet each way: to push this idea further arrangements-wise while rehumanising the singer and the songs, using bubblegum signifiers as a way of shortcircuiting the two directions (bubblegum being a classic example of where the human and the inhuman no longer feel as though they are in opposition - this is also part of why the album reminds me of late 90s / early 00s Max Martin productions).

push it

To develop Tim's idea further: Max Martin's machine-tooled precise bubblegum eclipsed Garbage at their peak. If N'Sync could do cartoon goth in 2000-2001, a third Garbage album suddenly looks dated indeed

Jesus

no -- Justin.

yeah tim's first graf is more or less exactly why i feel such a fierce sentiment to the s/t (the second is pretty okay in truth but if i must contend with negative comparisons then fangs will be bared), it was p much the formative catalyst for my first ever critical thinking wrt "scenes", namely in the sense of hmm wait why is this being fobbed off by cool dudes when it does the same thing as grunge but with awesome production stuff happening?

take for instance 'as heaven is wide' where the sudden introduction of that skittering chattering rhythm under the rising "if, flesh, could, crawl, my" prechorus makes it feel as if you're audio witness to an actual bodyhorror transformation

or the disembodied (like actually bouncing around your headphones disorientating), almost-mocking "wwwwishhhh" backing vox behind the chorus that only reveals its bitterly ironic relevance right at the very end with "i wish i could fly". studio tricks!

fwiw i think if the two were equal in quality i would probably privilege v2 more now (but obv that's all manner of timeless hypotheticals)

To develop Tim's idea further: Max Martin's machine-tooled precise bubblegum eclipsed Garbage at their peak. If N'Sync could do cartoon goth in 2000-2001, a third Garbage album suddenly looks dated indeed

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 February 2013 10:55 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Garbage had the last laugh though.

Garbage : 90s alt-rock :: P!nk's first album : late 90s R&B

Shirley's persona post the debut album then got the ball rolling on the entire post-debut P!nk - Katy Perry - Jessie J continuum.

doing it like a dude since 95

Shirley's persona post the debut album then got the ball rolling on the entire post-debut P!nk - Katy Perry - Jessie J continuum.

oh totally.

Katy Perry's Joan-Jett-as-Celine-Dion faux gentility is really strange.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

It's about right.

TBH, sort of feel like voting for "Special" or "I Think I'm Paranoid" means you don't actually get this album.

well, "Special" was a shrewd third single release in the U.S. for that reason.

lol'd at the 80+ posts itt discussing #garbagedeepalbumcuts and then the top two being so obvious

"Special" is a great song don't get me wrong but it feels odd to see those as the 1-2 hit.

funny you said "don't get me wrong"