― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 01:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Friday, 13 October 2006 15:48 (seventeen years ago) link
From Publishers Weekly. Starred Review. Knotty, paunchy, nutty, raunchy, Pynchon's first novel since Mason & Dixon (1997) reads like half a dozen books duking it out for his, and the reader's, attention. Most of them shine with a surreal incandescence, but even Pynchon fans may find their fealty tested now and again. Yet just when his recurring themes threaten to become tics, this perennial Nobel bridesmaid engineers another never-before-seen phrase, or effect, and all but the most churlish resistance collapses. It all begins in 1893, with an intrepid crew of young balloonists whose storybook adventures will bookend, interrupt and sometimes even be read by, scores of at least somewhat more realistic characters over the next 30 years. Chief among these figures are Colorado anarchist Webb Traverse and his children: Kit, a Yale- and Göttingen-educated mathematician; Frank, an engineer who joins the Mexican revolution; Reef, a cardsharp turned outlaw bomber who lands in a perversely tender ménage à trois; and daughter Lake, another Pynchon heroine with a weakness for the absolute wrong man. Psychological truth keeps pace with phantasmagorical invention throughout. In a Belgian interlude recalling Pynchon's incomparable Gravity's Rainbow, a refugee from the future conjures a horrific vision of the trench warfare to come: "League on league of filth, corpses by the uncounted thousands." This, scant pages after Kit nearly drowns in mayonnaise at the Regional Mayonnaise Works in West Flanders. Behind it all, linking these tonally divergent subplots and the book's cavalcade of characters, is a shared premonition of the blood-drenched doomsday just about to break above their heads. Ever sympathetic to the weak over the strong, the comradely over the combine (and ever wary of false dichotomies), Pynchon's own aesthetic sometimes works against him. Despite himself, he'll reach for the portentous dream sequence, the exquisitely stage-managed weather, some perhaps not entirely digested historical research, the "invisible," the "unmappable"—when just as often it's the overlooked detail, the "scrawl of scarlet creeper on a bone-white wall," a bed partner's "full rangy nakedness and glow" that leaves a reader gutshot with wonder. Now pushing 70, Pynchon remains the archpoet of death from above, comedy from below and sex from all sides. His new book will be bought and unread by the easily discouraged, read and reread by the cult of the difficult. True, beneath the book's jacket lurks the clamor of several novels clawing to get out. But that rushing you hear is the sound of the world, every banana peel and dynamite stick of it, trying to crowd its way in, and succeeding. (Nov.). Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 6 November 2006 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― tom west (thomp), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― Josh (Josh), Saturday, 11 November 2006 00:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― the pinefox (the pinefox), Saturday, 11 November 2006 09:56 (seventeen years ago) link
LA Times review
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 23:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― jamesy (SuzyCreemcheese), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 02:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― a.b. (alanbanana), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 02:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― rems (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:04 (seventeen years ago) link
Sans punctuation, the previous statement can be interpreted in more than one way. I think I interpreted it in a manner different from the original intent. (Kinda a caveman announcing his conquest of a large, war-like woman.)
So why's Amazon decided to bundle Against the Day with Life of Pi, emphasizing that if I purchase both I shall save an additional 5%?
― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 06:19 (seventeen years ago) link
this is gonna be the best thing since "the english assassin"
― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 07:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― VALLEY OF BLIZZARDZ (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mike Lisk (b_buster), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― stet (stet), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link
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― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 21:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― stet (stet), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Docpacey (docpacey), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 00:05 (seventeen years ago) link
man FUCK amazon, i ordered new headphones on the weekend and they already showed up in my mailbox today!
― Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 00:15 (seventeen years ago) link
Any other potential referents for the title?
― hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 00:23 (seventeen years ago) link
AGAIN with the talking dog?
― It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 00:44 (seventeen years ago) link
faulkner: "We speak now against the day when our Southern people who will resist to the last these inevitable changes in social relations, will, when they have been forced to accept what they at one time might have accepted with dignity and goodwill, will say: 'Why didn't someone tell us this before? Tell us this in time?'"
book of peter: "But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."
tyndale (a 16th cent translator of the bible): "I call God to record against the day we shall appear before our Lord Jesus, that I never altered one syllable of God's Word against my conscience, nor would do this day, if all that is in earth, whether it be honor, pleasure, or riches, might be given me."
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 01:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 01:11 (seventeen years ago) link
Like you can have too many? Wait til you get to the runcible spoon fight in chapt... oh, but I've said too much already...
― hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 01:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 08:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 09:23 (seventeen years ago) link
Ezra Tessler gives a summary:
the most striking example of Koch’s literary inventiveness is ‘The Red Robins’ (1975), the longest piece in the collection and perhaps the most well known of Koch’s relatively unacknowledged fiction. This dizzying 56 chapter, 150 page novel-like epic explodes into free-form prose, poetry, drama, and countless other incarnations of literary expression. Resiliently difficult to summarize, Koch’s hyperkinetic tale loosely follows the adventures of a group of pilots led by a morally ambiguous figure named Santa Claus as they swoop in and around Asia. The Red Robins inhabit—as if at random—jungles, cities, beaches, and clouds, while the story’s fantastical whims burst in and out of narrative, dialogue, list, rhyme, unconnected to specific time or event. There are no ‘characters’ in the traditional sense of robust personage. Instead, the reader meets a barrage of people, things, and places, some of which appear multiple times, most of which only momentarily. Together they get heaped in a spontaneous whirlwind so schizophrenic and bawdy as to rival the likes of Rabelais, Sterne, and Burroughs.
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 09:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 09:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 13:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 13:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― stet (stet), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 13:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mike Lisk (b_buster), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link
(click on 'tuesday' and fast fwd to 35 mins and available for a week)
― xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:34 (seventeen years ago) link
"squints from needlework carried past the borderlands of sleep in clockless bad light, women in headscarves, crocheted fascinators, extravagantly flowered hats, no hats at all, women just looking to put their feet up after too many hours of lifting, fetching, walking the jobless avenues, bearing the insults of the day..."
I also enjoyed Frankie Ferdinand saying " 'st los Hund?".
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 23 November 2006 01:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 02:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― Casuistry, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link
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― Stevie T, Friday, 16 March 2007 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link
A leading physical metaphor for shore.
― dow, Saturday, 29 October 2022 23:44 (one year ago) link
at some point in the last decade i realised i was kind of reading oedipa maas against joan didion: not that they're identical but there are some useful points of similarity (social background, sensibility perhaps) which help triangulate the differences (tho they don't really answer any of PF's questions)
(oedipa's husband briefly turns up again in vineland, the second in TP's "californian trilogy")
― mark s, Sunday, 30 October 2022 12:16 (one year ago) link
I strongly agree about the common ground between the texts ie: between Maas and Didion. There are a number of specific points of such common ground.
I had forgotten about the Vineland appearance, though did know of it. But I only ever read half of Vineland, and do not think it is my kind of novel.
― the pinefox, Sunday, 30 October 2022 15:35 (one year ago) link
re poster dow's post: it's not that I think CL49 should have a scene with OM's mother (though it could have been interesting for sure, and reminds me of another question: what was Oedipa Maas's maiden name?) -- rather that in 120 pages in which we feel intimate with this character and experience all her concerns, hopes and traumas, it's odd that she never once thinks of the existence or non-existence of any of her family (save her husband).
My general observation, again, is that there is an element of smoke & mirrors in the fictional process, in which OM feels quite a full and compelling character, but in some ways isn't; is a facade with less depth then we might think, who exists as a function and role ('actant'?) in the fiction and is less fully thought through and realised than she may seem.
I also reflected that the one novelist who WOULD, for good or ill, have thought through family backstory and brought it in, is ... Franzen.
― the pinefox, Sunday, 30 October 2022 15:43 (one year ago) link
Maxine Tarnow in Bleeding Edge is possibly TRP compensating for the underwritten aspects of Oedipa - she's a much more fully drawn mum-gumshoe. Though funnily enough Mike Davis thought this was a virtue of CoL49 in comparison to Didion - he praised the novel for "wasting no time grappling with the alienation of its subject".
― Piedie Gimbel, Sunday, 30 October 2022 15:50 (one year ago) link
That sounds a good comment from Davis (whom I've almost never read).
I agree that Bleeding Edge comes over like a return to CL49 territory (I suspect that INHERENT VICE did too), though I also thought it was dire.
― the pinefox, Sunday, 30 October 2022 17:03 (one year ago) link
On the 50th anniversary of Gravity’s Rainbow’s publication, it’s worth remembering that Laurie Anderson once asked Thomas Pynchon if she could stage it as an opera. His answer? Yes, as long as the whole thing was scored solely for banjo pic.twitter.com/jh0REahy0O— David Hering (@hering_david) February 28, 2023
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 1 March 2023 10:26 (one year ago) link
Paging Bela Fleck…
― o. nate, Wednesday, 1 March 2023 14:38 (one year ago) link
Lol
― Wile E. Galore (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 14:52 (one year ago) link
Part of the attraction to Wendell "Mucho" Maas ("Mucho baby," as she addresses him at one point, indicating that he may well have mucho sex appeal)
"Mucho" means "Lot." Oedipa is Lot's wife.
― alimosina, Wednesday, 1 March 2023 15:09 (one year ago) link