Robbie Robertson: Opinions on three things

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1) i can hear a lot of his influence in andy cohen from silkworm's guitar soloing, and andy cohen's are some of my favs.

2) i know too little to distinguish between his or any other Band mates' songs, but i do know i prefer dylan's songs on the basement tapes, for what that's worth.

3) big time points for being half mohawk, but he did do tv ads for the GAP

ath (ath), Thursday, 4 May 2006 03:32 (thirteen years ago) link

4) singing

Next to Levon and Richard, anyone would look like a thin and un-emotive singer. i mean damn, their voices are so rich. even rick, i think, pales in comparison.

so robby may have had the fourth best voice in the group, i actually quite like the ONE song he sings on "Music From Big Pink", TO KINGDOM COME.

lawrencerock, Thursday, 4 May 2006 13:04 (thirteen years ago) link

1.) Best with Dylan
2. & 3.) After you read Levon's book it's hard to watch the last waltz and not want to kill the guy. And even without levon's book that riff where Robbie talks about how he has to hang it up because "the road takes all the great ones" or whatever shows him as an egotistical shitbag. But when I listen to the band, I believe Levon (the only one who didn't overdub the last waltz, apparently) so much more, as a songwriter and singer, that I'm sure I'm not giving Robbie a fair shake. That said, Levon's book all but points at Robbie as the reason for Manuel's suicide, which doesn't seem right.

But, until you see this video:

you haven't lived. O boy!

natecavalieri (phonetagged), Thursday, 4 May 2006 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Oops, the link didn't work:
Gimme that, a bag o weed and some v-drums and I'll see you next columbus day.

natecavalieri (phonetagged), Thursday, 4 May 2006 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link

Hey Nate!

There is a disc floating about of one of Manuel's last gigs before taking his life. It's a tough, sad listen. Manuel ain't in good shape but at the same time, there are a few incredible performances. I forget the name of the disc though.

QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Thursday, 4 May 2006 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link

Levon is a bitter old cunt.

shookout (shookout), Thursday, 4 May 2006 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link

And once again the polemic arguments arise. I don't believe that Levon is a bitter old c*** anymore than I believe Robbie is the devil.

I know I'm just a sentimental, middle-aged fan, but it pains me to watch the part in The Last Waltz when Levon is doing the interview with Scorsese and Robbie's at the table.. Levon has a butt hanging out of his mouth and sparks up a match, talks a bunch, then lights Robbie's cigarette, talks some more, then finally lights his up, just before his fingers would start to burn. They still seem like buddies at that point, and I just wish it was still the same today.

I'm sure it would help if Robbie would see fit to part with some of his %100 take on the writing credits, but nevertheless.

shorty (shorty), Thursday, 4 May 2006 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link

Levon always seemed a bit removed from the band. He's not Canadian. He was the only holdover from the original Hawks, and he didn't like the kind of music Dylan was making during '66 so he didn't participate (or that's the reason I've read).

QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Thursday, 4 May 2006 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm sure that may have been part of the reason Quantum, but I've also read that Levon was just not into getting booed by Dylan's folk fan base.....

shorty (shorty), Thursday, 4 May 2006 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Shorty, that's right, too. I needed a little memory jab.

QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Thursday, 4 May 2006 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link

I just wanna say I think "Ophelia"'s a damn sight better than "half decent," as is "Acadian Driftwood" and for that matter "Right as Rain"

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 4 May 2006 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Gotta agree with you Thomas.. I love Ophelia, and Acadian Driftwood is a masterpiece in my opinion.

shorty (shorty), Thursday, 4 May 2006 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link

we should start a "Northern Lights, Southern Cross" appreciation thread!!

Levon and Robbie were the perfect singer meets songwriter match. can you imagine someone else trying to sing "the night they drove old dixie down"? it would sound like a bad middle school history report. levon actually sounds like a freakin' confederate soldier, i mean he was the only member of the band to hail from the US let alone the south.

it was a special bond. levon probably should have made more money, but i am guessing if he had managed his money a bit better he would be a wealthy man today regardless of the publishing.

lawrencerock, Thursday, 4 May 2006 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link

ten years pass...

has anyone read robbie's book?

new noise, Sunday, 15 January 2017 02:25 (two years ago) link

I read the first few chapters which were actually pretty good.

Moog and Stan (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2017 02:52 (two years ago) link

I have. by far the biggest flaw is that it concludes after the Last Waltz. anyone who cares to know about him is familiar with his doings up to that point. The true points of interest are the past 40 fucken years…friendship with Scosese, acts in Carny, whatever constitutes music consulting for S's films, the end of his marriage with his quebecoise wife (who he praises in the book), the solo albums (the first one contains the song from which the book takes its name) that do not seem to have ever prompted reassessment, his response to the levon's accusations (he does this passive-aggressively in this book), being a Los angeles smoothie, not playing live but for a handful of times in 40 years, etc etc… as it is, he spins the same yarns he's always preferred to proffer.

veronica moser, Sunday, 15 January 2017 14:44 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

the solo albums (the first one contains the song from which the book takes its name) that do not seem to have ever prompted reassessment,

and how!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 02:45 (one year ago) link

You did it again. Kudos

Psmith, Pharmacist (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 02:55 (one year ago) link

This is the rare example of an album I've only ever put on for every reason but the singer and songwriter.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 12:37 (one year ago) link

so why do you play it?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 12:57 (one year ago) link

I like the session dudes. For example, the song you picked is not a good song, but the drum part (by Manu Katche) is cool on its own merits.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 13:02 (one year ago) link

Two of the tracks have the weird proggy rhythm section of Tony Levin and Terry Bozzio (!)

Something I'm not sure of, but I think RR started working with Lanois *before* Joshua Tree or So came out, which is an interesting dynamic, especially since there was that trend jumping vibe to this record's release.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 13:05 (one year ago) link

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