Sinead O'Connor: C/D?

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Basically, I've heard Sinead songs that I didn't get but I've never heard a Sinead song I didn't like (if that makes sense).

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:19 (nineteen years ago) link

There's a weird version of - "Dark End of the Street?" I think that's the one. It was recorded with Brian Eno and stuck on her best of/rarities set from a couple of years ago.

That "Gospel Oak" EP, short though it may be, shows that she remains an amazing songwriter. Her last two albums proper, though - "Universal Mother" and "Faith and Courage" - seem too set on the by then impossible notion that she might get played on the radio, and therefore she makes the attendant compromises. To be honest, I'm worried Kate Bush may fall prey to the same delusion.

Frankly, I wish Sinead realized (assuming she doesn't) that she could maintain her ideals on the folk/cult circuit, a la Marianne Faithful or someone like that, rather than aim for pop appeal.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeh, makes sense.

(xpost)

David A. (Davant), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

DUD!!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Jump in the River is amazing. I wish she wrote more songs like that.

Sara Sherr, Friday, 4 March 2005 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

If she'd found goth instead of God, I'd probably be her number 1 fan.

I loved that EP she put out in '97 or so.

ian in brooklyn, Friday, 4 March 2005 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link

no mention of 'three babies', doesn't it follow 'nothing compares to u' and it's so good it makes me forget how great that song was. for a short time in my life it was all sinead and the house of love's butterfly album.

keith m (keithmcl), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't really think of Universal Mother as a radio-friendly compromise, mainly because it's hard to see what's supposed to work on radio (the more obvious choices "Fire On Babylon" and "Thank You For Hearing Me" are both great though so it's not a case of a failed attempt I don't think). My favourite track on that album is this gorgeous ballad "A Perfect Indian", which is pretty heartbreaking I reckon. Most uncomfortable track lyrically is "Scorn Not His Simplicity" (a track about children with intellectual disabilities) which funnily enough Sinead didn't even write!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember seeing her perform "Mandinka" (?) on the American Music Awards (?) when I was a little kid, way, way before Nevermind changed things. I remember her combat boot dance on stage. I'd never seen a bald chick besides the one in that one Star Trek movie. Crazy.

Smooth Gold, Saturday, 5 March 2005 02:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Grammys I think. That was the legendary Jethro-Tull-wins-for-heavy-metal ceremony.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 5 March 2005 02:22 (nineteen years ago) link

The post-SNL backlash in this country was pretty lame.

Her version of "The Butcher's Boy" in the film of the same name is pretty special.

"I Am Stretched On Your Grave" was teh jammm at the time. Haven't heard it in years.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Saturday, 5 March 2005 02:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember never once being able to turn away from the vid for "Nothing Compares 2 U" no matter how many sqaudrillion times it had been played on MTV. I remember it stopping my step-father dead in his tracks.....rendering him positively still and silent until its finish. "Hot damn!" he said softly, afterwards.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 5 March 2005 02:57 (nineteen years ago) link

First two albums are great, and she also was pretty amazing when I saw her live (right after I do not want... came out). She closed with "Troy" and it was gut-wrenchingly cathartic and crazy and good.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 5 March 2005 03:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Well this thread has caused me to dig out The Lion and the Cobra again for the first time in a long while. Amazing how mainstream this sounds like retrospect, and I don't mean that as casting aspersion on O'Connor at how the standards have shifted (for the better, I'd think). Something like "Mandinka" could probably be reworked into something for Avril or Ms. Clarkson, for instance -- the arrangement may be dated (to an extent) but the construction is not.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 5 March 2005 03:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, it was fairly mainstream -- "Mandinka" got prime-time MTV play, and of course I do not want... sold a zillion copies.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 5 March 2005 03:30 (nineteen years ago) link

(oops, I see you mean the first album specifically; but yeah, she was pretty pop-accessible for a mad baldie)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 5 March 2005 03:31 (nineteen years ago) link

my inner muso has to note that, on the ealier stuff, she tended to sing a mcirotine flat which drives my ears nuts

ianinbrooklyn, Saturday, 5 March 2005 04:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked the first album, sure. But I can't say I ever felt a burning need to return to her work. I did get that Heroine soundtrack thing, though, but more because I was excited about Michael Brook or the Edge or whatever it was.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Saturday, 5 March 2005 05:01 (nineteen years ago) link

most of the songs on the captive soundtrack are really great, including the one with sinead vocals. i wish the edge would do more albums with brian eno and michael brook. a U2 album with sinead instead of bono would probably be pretty great.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Saturday, 5 March 2005 07:55 (nineteen years ago) link

"Cos of this thread I picked up Lion & Cobra when I saw it cheap 2nd hand (although I already knew it from the early 90s when I heard it first). Jackie, Just like you said it would be, and jerusalem sound great again, while a few others (like Mandinka) haven't aged well - like Ned says, cos of the sounds and arrangement. It's also not nearly as iddicult an album as I remember it. Maybe when I was younger I found Troy a lot weirder than I do today - and I give her credit for opening up a 16 year old's ears to stuff like Troy.

paulhw (paulhw), Sunday, 6 March 2005 01:13 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
I am seriously thinking this could be one of the year's best albums. Tracklisting:

Massive Attack -- Special Cases (Radio Edit)
Asian Dub Foundation Featuring Sinéad O'Connor -- 1000 Mirrors
Bomb The Bass Featuring Sinéad O'Connor & Benjamin Zephaniah -- Empire
Ghostland -- Guide Me God
Jah Wobble's Invaders Of The Heart Featuring Sinéad O'Connor -- Visions Of You
Afro Celt Sound System -- Release (Album Edit)
Sinéad O'Connor With The Blockheads -- Wake Up And Make Love With Me
The The -- Kingdom Of Rain (Album Version)
U2 & Sinéad O'Connor -- I’m Not Your Baby
Conjure One Featuring Sinéad O'Connor -- Tears From The Moon (Album Version)
Peter Gabriel & Sinéad O'Connor -- Blood Of Eden (Radio Edit)
Moby Featuring Sinéad O'Connor -- Harbour
Aslan -- Up In Arms
Damien Dempsey Featuring Sinéad O'Connor -- It’s All Good
The Edge & Sinéad O'Connor -- Heroine (Theme From “Captive”)
The Colourfield Featuring Sinéad O'Connor -- Monkey In Winter
Sinéad O'Connor & Terry Hall -- All Kinds Of Everything

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 May 2005 13:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow! All that compilation is missing is "You Made Me The Thief of Your Heart" from "In the Name of the Father."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 22 May 2005 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Her version of "All kinds of everything" always makes me very Christmasy. Like I get an urge to run through snow while wearing sleigh-bells on top of my head.

brittle-lemon, Sunday, 22 May 2005 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
"I Am Stretched On Your Grave" was teh jammm at the time. Haven't heard it in years.

i happened to catch this one today on an internet radio station i listen to at work -- it was as stunning now as it was 15 years ago (when i first heard it). and i'm enough of a softie to get still choked up when i hear "nothing compares 2 u" (much less see that video).

i guess i should root around my cds to see if i stil have i do not want what i haven't got.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 04:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Oddly enough I heard this yesterday as well. It actually sounded like a remix!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 05:07 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Possibly the only ILM thread on which the various warring nations called a truce for the sake of a common cause.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwQlmnNyWak

Alicia Silverfuck (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn5uY9etyEo

Alicia Silverfuck (sexyDancer), Thursday, 20 July 2006 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

O'Connor vs. Güdmundsdöttir---FIGHT!

Shinehead O'Connor by miles and miles.

Bjork can mince around all she likes and be mad elfin, but Sinead is a very angry Irish woman chock full of raw intensity. [...] Shinehead is so badass that she could rock her own comic book.

-- Mike Taylor

(sadly I still haven't investigated a great deal of Sinead's music... but as a human being I respect her enormously).

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 20 July 2006 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Her version of traditional Irish song "He Moves Through The Fair" is probably the most moving version i've ever heard.

I wonder what it would sound like if she covered Kate Bush, like Night of the Swallow, or Jig of Life.

scnnr drkly (scnnr drkly), Thursday, 20 July 2006 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I only just learned she was the one who sang the song in Nightmare on Elm St. 4 when the girl's working out and turns into a cockroach.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 21 July 2006 05:17 (seventeen years ago) link

http://img.snlarc.jt.org/arc/imp/JaHo-Sinead%20O

Ben Crazee (Ben Crazee), Friday, 21 July 2006 08:14 (seventeen years ago) link

One of the few artists who inspires such an immediate response from me, that I have difficulty trusting 100 per cent in the humanity of those who don't like her music.

baboon2004 (baboon2004), Friday, 21 July 2006 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

seven months pass...
Revived: I heard "The Emperor's New Clothes" on iTunes radio quite by accident and it soundes STELLAR. I'm struck by how she transforms this sanctimonious lyric into a shit-kicking anthem.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd like to hear some Sinead. I'd also like to see a TS: Sinead vs. kd lang thread.

jaymc, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link

You've never heard her???

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 23:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure the only Sinead I've heard is "Nothing Compares 2 U," "The Emperor's New Clothes," and "You Made Me the Thief of Your Heart." Haven't heard any albums.

jaymc, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link

OK, I'm listening to "Mandinka" right now, and I've definitely heard that one, too. I think I probably assumed it was Edie Brickell or something.

jaymc, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 23:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll burn you a CD and give it to you at EMP.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 23:43 (seventeen years ago) link

(and you can stop this Edie Brickell nonsense)

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 23:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I was never much of a fan of neither "Mandinka" nor "Nothing Compares 2 U". Thus, when I heard some of her less famous work I was pleasantly surprised. Some great moody and sophisticated pop in there for certain.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 00:55 (seventeen years ago) link

her has-been status is so richly deserved. dud.

gershy, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 03:16 (seventeen years ago) link

her has-been status is so richly deserved. dud.

No.

Lostandfound, Thursday, 1 March 2007 05:14 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
She was really very nice!

forksclovetofu, Saturday, 12 May 2007 00:04 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

good lord 'fire on babylon' is all kinds of fierce.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 11:27 (fourteen years ago) link

FIIYYYYRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEE

also, that bassline!

lex pretend, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 11:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Great song, great entire album I reckon! The ballads kill me - esp. "John I Love You" and "A Perfect Indian".

Tim F, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 11:57 (fourteen years ago) link

the most awful song on massive attack's "100th window": "a prayer for england". DESTROY!

alex in mainhattan, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 12:59 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Sinead, an acoustic guitar, Dutch festival crowd, 1988 -- "Troy":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeIHZvZTJTg

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 October 2009 05:04 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm telling ya, people need to see this clip.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 October 2009 13:02 (fourteen years ago) link

A very touching poem from her brother that was read at the funeral yesterday.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/08/09/blackbird-in-dun-laoghaire-a-poem-by-joseph-oconnor/

droid, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 13:42 (eight months ago) link

five months pass...

The London Inner South Coroner's Court has issued a statement that says O'Connor died from natural causes. The court added that they have now ceased their involvement in O'Connor's death.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 15:12 (three months ago) link

Yep.

droid, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 16:32 (three months ago) link

"Mere hours before her cause of death was shared on Tuesday, it had been announced that a special tribute concert to O’Connor and the late Pogues frontman Shane MacGowan will be taking place at Carnegie Hall in New York in March. Irish singers Glen Hansard, David Gray, Dropkick Murphys, Cat Power and Amanda Palmer are among the musicians taking part, with more to be announced."

Apologies to Cat Power but I may have to bomb this.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 17:02 (three months ago) link

The Irish singer died by natural causes

Is this going to change the narrative that everyone seems to have adopted, based on certain assumptions?

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 17:44 (three months ago) link

Because that linked yahoo article (and the term "natural causes") are still pretty ambiguous, here's a more unambiguous statement from WaPo:

Most deaths from natural causes are not reported to any coroner but if a coroner found natural causes it would never be a suicide.” If someone dies of “natural causes,” this means that they did not die by suicide, or in an accident, or by a drug overdose, he said.

enochroot, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 17:58 (three months ago) link

So what then was the cause of death? Presumably this means she had some kind of sickness, but what was it?

lord of the rongs (anagram), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 18:01 (three months ago) link

xxxp that carnegie hall tribute show includes a $20,000 "nothing compares 2u" package where you get to weigh in on the order of the songs being played? https://citywinery.com/new-york-city/events/nothing-compares-2-u-wjs0ta

BrianB, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 18:12 (three months ago) link

aren’t coroners different in every state? I think there was a Frontline about that. Natural causes may be more or less ambiguous depending on the locality.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 18:14 (three months ago) link

I bet the boys of the NYPD choir don't even be there (especially since there's no such thing)

StanM, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 18:59 (three months ago) link


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