Ecstasy (the substance): C/D?

No thanks, I did some on the weekend and I'm still feeling a little low.

on the money, more money and then some

http://www.guardian.co.uk/drugs/Story/0,2763,521419,00.html

Fun fun fun!

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Oh man... I can't imagine.

I did some on the weekend and I'm still feeling a little low.
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doing it every weekend and then being a horrible misanthrope for the next five days
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Dud if done every weekend
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[...] makes you numb and grumpy

OK, so yeah, this is a common complaint. I find even without chemicals, having a really fun night out with friends, then going back to "normal" life (work/school) can be depressing. Actually, that's been the story of my week so far. But I can see how that would be magnified by the chemical aspect (lack of serotonin or whatever).

And thanks for the tips dog latin.

The essential tip with stuff like this is to always treat it like it's the last time you'll ever do it. Over-abusing any kind of substance is never going to do you any favours so it goes without saying that keeping things sensible, following any tips and hints and making sure you are with people you know and trust are all U & K.

I only did half a pill once at a party because I'm a chickenshit. I got the buildup, but def. not the full experience. I'm planning on taking it when I see Animal Collective in April. Does this seem like a good idea? And don't say no just cause you hate AC.

It sounds like a great idea. You'll love it. Do it with a pretty girl

take some multi-vitamins to make the next day easier

Not sure I'd take E at an Animal Colective gig - not much chance for dancing, no? Where do you live?

I will admit the only time I've heard Animal Collective was at a gig 5 years ago so I may be wrong about their music, but I assumed it was very freeform, noise centered and dense. Whereas E is much better suited to music with space, groove, and above all repetition - seeing a good DJ who plays something along the axis of techno, deep house or minimal would be my recommendation.

My 'first time' was at a Portishead gig about 15 years ago, it was good, but it wasn't until around about my 5th time taking it, dancing to a DJ playing stripped-back house that I really "got" ecstasy.

my experience with E is... i'll love whatever the fuck is playing or going on

good ones and bad ones, depending on MDMA content.

my experience with E is... i'll love whatever the fuck is playing or going on

Well that’s kind of the point (unless you’ve over done it), but there are some things which are a natural fit to ecstasy’s rapture and the repetitive mind-set it puts you in.

Yeah, i know, but Whitey seems to be asking if he'll have a good time and the answer is definitely yes.
It may not be the best possible time that he could be having with the drug, but it'll still be fucking fantastic.

And it'll make the Animal Collective sound less shit!

The Marmite of rock.… More of a Bovril man myself.

hi

Hello!

Need a back rub, surm?

mhmm

I can't think of anything more perverse than rolling and posting on ILX, unless your keyboard can make out with you.

it can't do that

i might need to go out

I haven't taken the stuff in years. I'd love to.

luv

Perfect E musik: "Music For 18 Musicians". Neu. Tavener's "The Protecting Veil". For the coming down: Juana Molina. Reserve for max 2-3 times a year and it won't grind on you. Magnesium + 5-HTP. Avoid alcohol like the plague (maybe just a bottle of champagne between 2 people). Drop with your spouse. Classic squared.

I'd like to know how other people feel about this!

An acquaintance described it as literally being "too good" - this is a guy (still under 20)[...] Now he DJs trance for fun.

Doesn't this kind of answer the question.

Avoid alcohol like the plague (maybe just a bottle of champagne between 2 people).

This is still about 3-4 glasses each.

I used to think they didn't mix, but while alcohol dulls part of the buzz I find they go together quite nicely (although probably not the best idea for your body). I do make sure the majority of my drinking is either before or after as I find I get fluid retention while 'on one', and the idea of huge amounts of fluid sloshing around my system is a little scary. But then I find I naturally start to share any booze I have with the people I'm with so there's never much change of that… and then start sharing their cigs in return (I'm a non-smoker), and then start liberally sharing my hugs… things I'd normally never do.

ahh good times...

lol omg best drug in the world

Welcome to the forest

it's a pretty awful place, ibiza, apart from the sun and the parts outside the main hives, but the harvey gig was amazing. very strange as it was just a guestlist you emailed for but the hotel it was in was beautiful and guests were treated like they'd paid to check in, really classy. i dunno how it wasn't overrun and crazy.

should probably make more effort to go out in london though, especially when you guys are playing. there is the occasional good smaller party but a few years ago i would end up just walking straight back out of clubs i'd paid into, i had to stop lest i ended up hating the music rather than the clubs. i do go to bodyhammer down here when it's on.

That's such a great story really LG. Summed up everything about what I (used to) love about it. Like you say, the chances to do it are getting waaay further apart, but I haven't resigned myself to not doing it - it wasn't so much a conscious decision, rather a situational one where the opportunities arise less often.

for me it's more just where once it was an automatic yes when someone produced a class a, now it's an automatic no. the why and how of that would be like the why and how of youth's passing itself :)

these days all i ever see at parties is chaz, which I can never honestly say i've had a wonderful time on. sometimes mandy powder, but it's also rare these days. my friends don't really go out to clubs or raves any more and i can't really remember the last time i went to a decent house party that wasn't hosted by me, so.

ibiza is really beautiful and wonderful if you stay away from certain places. i stay in Talalamca when i go and i'd really recommend it. There are hardly any brits there at all.

Realized tonight that my last tablet would be old enough to drive.

Would love to do it again but I can't imagine the right crowd coming along - my friends and peers are married/parents, in bed by 10pm types.

I heard this year that the drug was synthesised way earlier than one might expect and probably before its usage could really be what it became. & that it was popularised about 60 or 70 years later. After some clinical usage which itself was like 50 years after its initial synthesis.
So wondering what it was initially synthesised for and how they came upon later usage.

However, in these documents there were no indications for plans to develop an appetite suppressant. MDMA was mentioned only casually and without being called ‘MDMA’. In the patent specification, MDMA appeared only as a chemical formula and in the annual report it was referred to as ‘Methylsafrylamin’. The accurate back- ground for the first synthesis of MDMA was that Merck wanted to find and patent pathways leading to haemo- static substances, not appetite suppressors. The company tried to evade an existing patent for the synthesis of a clot- ting agent called ‘Hydrastinin’ held by the German com- petitor Farbenfabriken Elberfeld und Decker or Bayer/ Elberfeld, as stated explicitly by the head of Merck’s labo- ratory, Dr Walter Beckh (1870–1915) in the Annual Report for 1912.

A good thoughtful, and open, thread. Particularly enjoyed this description of the human condition:

Well, it did make a difference to us, but without making a difference in us. Not even birth is a greater breach of promise. The world is the same dismal day-to-day wake-to-work regimen, the same work-to-eat, eat-to-shit cycle, the same sleep-to-dream routine, sharing in order to quarrel over the cut, the same old same it was before...

That's a passage from the tunnel by William Gass, he is writing about ecstasy (not the substance) but I guess I thought it was fitting