Ministry "With Sympathy" C/D

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― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

My affection for "Revenge" knows no boundaries.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link

My affection for "Revenge" knows no boundaries.

this redeems yer many stylistic transgressions, mr. miccio! :-)

several other thoughts: (a) amg's entry -- saying that this CD would surely be one of the favorites of ally sheedy in the breakfast club is 100 OTM%; (b) "cocaine [or is it heroin?] is one helluva drug;" (c) there are some rather interesting parallels b/w the ministry and depeche mode (both start out making lightweight yet likeable synth-pop, and get MUCH darker and nastier as they go on ["heroin is one helluva drug"]; (d) with sympathy is pretty similar to the tom tom club!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 October 2005 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Come come now, Filth Pig had the awesome, one–eyed ’Lava’ on it.

― Kodanshi, Monday, 24 October 2005 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link

ha, these guys played my high schoolK the year after this came out. mind boggling that al jourgensen graced the same stage as that my friends' bands trod.

― my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link

re that high school show:

An audio recording of this show exists.

!!!!!!!!

and it looks like they did a fad gadget cover ("ricky's hand")!!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link

the alex in nyc/dan interchange upthread is awesome!

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link

My father used to own the 12" for Cold Life, but now can't find it. I grew up listening to it, and now find it absolutely hilarious. "Cohld.. Loif..." Give it up, Al.
I kinda wish I could find it on a random fileshare (no slsk on my old-ass compu-tron), but no one who considers themselves a Ministry fan seems to be willing to own up to it (at least, a Ministry fan of my generation...)

― js (honestengine), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 01:07 (eighteen years ago) link

My father used to own the 12" for Cold Life, but now can't find it. I grew up listening to it

Words cannot express how much this statement creeps me the fuck out. How young are you?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 01:13 (eighteen years ago) link

who looks gayer?

this?

http://members.aol.com/NaylzIX/alain-3a.gif

or this?

http://koti.mbnet.fi/mode2001/on%20the%20shower.jpg

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 01:37 (eighteen years ago) link

a copy in any shape or form of that gig mentioned above would be greatly received. oh yes.

― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 11:27 (eighteen years ago) link

and it says on the set list that they played"hezbollah"! i wonder how that version of it sounded.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 11:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Christ, look at MartIn Wilder's hair on the far right! Holy smokes!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link

that ministry site linked upthread is great, they have tons of ancient interviews and press clippings and shit!

http://ministrymusic.org/mags/other/trouser-press-march-1983.jpg

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:28 (eighteen years ago) link

js - here's cold life

give me this over any ministry post 1992.

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:44 (eighteen years ago) link

stir, seconded.

damn, can't find the work for love review from smash hits. it must've hit that great paper recycler a long time ago. damn.

― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:56 (eighteen years ago) link

as for dan and alex's exchange upthread, i have to side with alex. 'all day' and 'everyday is halloween' in particular are very much in the style of 'with sympathy' (or 'work for love' as it was called over here).

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Christ, look at MartIn Wilder's hair on the far right! Holy smokes!

Alan, you mean. ;-)

Anyway, back to the flamin', funkin' Ministry.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link

You're right, all of the vocal processing and machinery noises and thundering emphatic percussion make those songs practically identical to the With Sympathy material.

A cougar is more like a kitten than it is like a velociraptor but that doesn't mean it would make an appropriate pet for a four-year-old.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:42 (eighteen years ago) link

but the 12" of 'all day' doesn't have vocal processing and thundering emphatic percussion.

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:49 (eighteen years ago) link

http://findfamous.com/pictures/lil_jon.jpg

GOTHFIGHT!

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:51 (eighteen years ago) link

"he's angry" to thread

― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Christ, look at MartIn Wilder's hair on the far right! Holy smokes!

Alan, you mean.

Och! You're right. Wait, who is Martin Wilder?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

"Cold Life" and "Primental" (the pre-instrumental that would become "I Wanted To Tell Her") are pretty damn great, actually. The vocals are the "worst" part of "Cold Life", although they're really fun to imitate, but the backing music itself is pretty well done funk... better than most A Certain Ratio actually. That slap bass at the beginning is very Larry-Graham-esque. Go Paul Barker! (I'm guessing.)

― iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link

nope, paul didnt join ministry 'til after Twitch IIRC

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Alex: I'm 26 now. The song came out when I was two. I remember a mixtape (probably made several years later) called "Language is a Virus" that had Cold Life, Shreikback, some Laurie Anderson, White Lines and some Devo on it, along with a song called The Machine by the Motor City Mutants that I would kill to find, that my dad made before we moved to Ann Arbor, which means that I was listening to it before I was seven.
That's why a lot of these threads on ILM are hilarious: because they're all about all of these songs that I recognize as childhood memories without a real sense of a lot of it as music. It was just something that was playing in the car on road trips with my family. Later on, I got back into a lot of it, but it's always kinda odd to talk to people who were into it as adults (or at least teens) the first time around.

― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 00:52 (eighteen years ago) link

where's dad now?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Getting a doctorate in "cyber rhetoric." (No joke— he looks at how discourse functions in places like online forums). He's mostly retreated into being a jazz head, although he really enjoys the Plunderphonics and Boomselect sort of stuff. He can go off about the "recombinant culture" too.

― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:12 (eighteen years ago) link

places like... this?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:17 (eighteen years ago) link

has he seen the noise board?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:17 (eighteen years ago) link

aw man!

NOIZE DAD!

Bring
it
on

― iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:24 (eighteen years ago) link

i wonder what the phrase "language is a virus" had on you as a child.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:26 (eighteen years ago) link

what effect.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, places like this. Though I don't think he's gotten around to coming here yet... I keep trying to lure him in with the YSI threads, but I'm not sure he thinks he has time for it. He posts on Metafilter and a board called Music Abominations (which is mostly about jazz).
(As far as "language is a virus," I think I've just kinda accepted it as a truism... Certainly left me as a Laurie Anderson fan).

― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 12:44 (eighteen years ago) link

various lines from this have stuck in my head over the past couple weeks. "burning pictures of me head to toe HEY!" and "we went through the window, quiet as a mouse" being two i can't shake for some reason.

also, i'm surprised no one mentioned the red cassette case. it was always the easiest tapes to find in the box.

― my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

we went through the window, quiet as a mouse"

Isn't it "IN through the window...."?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

perhaps, it is. regardless, i like the idea of jourganson being quiet as a mouse.

also, the chick who comes in during "i wanted to tell her" is so freakin 80s. that nasal-ly "you touch me bay-bee" would fit perfectly on an expose album.

― my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

How'd I miss this thread last month?

Classic, of course.

TKK opening for Ministry would be wonderful, though I saw TKK open for Siouxsie et al around '92, and that was pretty cool.

Hm. What ever happened to Machines of Loving Grace? I saw them open for TKK at Shitty Gardens in maybe '93 or '94 now that I think of it.

― martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

ha! that 'quiet as a mouse' line is the one that always sticks in my head too. thanks to this thread i have listened to 'revenge' about 20 times over the last fortnight.

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

MACHINES OF LOVING GRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG

― Dan (BURN LIKE BRILLIANT TRASH) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

The best thing is that maybe 10 minutes after I made that post "The Richest Junkie Still Alive" popped up on shuffle from my iPod. I didn't even remember I had Gilt in here.

― martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Gilt was really underrated when it came out. A lot of people thought there was gonna be another Jackie's Funeral, but it was pretty damn solid as a cohesive piece. I think I listen to it more than anything else (aside from All I Really Need's swearing mix, which is fun to put on tapes).

― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 01:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw MLG open for Peter Murphy back in 1992. Good times.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 01:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw Ministry at Comiskey park back in July of '83 at this huge show:

http://www.police.cybercomm.nl/pictures/s19830723.jpg

I finally picked up a bunch of the Ministry stuff that Wax Trax was selling, after this show, including the Special Affect LP.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 02:03 (eighteen years ago) link

(Btw, Simple Minds for some reason didn't play that show, which is why Ministry got the nod. At the time, Ministry were not a well known commodity in Chicago at all.)

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 02:07 (eighteen years ago) link

People are talking about Machines of Loving Grace and they never get love :) How can people still listen to old NIN albums and not those guys?

― -rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 05:54 (eighteen years ago) link

wow -- sting AND al jourgeson on the same stage in the same venue at the same time. i'm amazed that the universe didn't implode.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 06:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe MoLG need their own thread.

― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

i'm not an F-A-G

― Eisbaer, Sunday, 27 April 2008 05:56 (fifteen years ago) link

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or With Syphilis.

― stirmonster, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 11:12 (six months ago) link

I haven’t tried to listen to Filth Pig in about 20 years but I also hated Psalm 69 so I don’t expect to find much to enjoy

― the new drip king (DJP), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 12:21 (six months ago) link

filth pig is fine. probably the last one you need to hear? always liked the dylan cover.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 12:28 (six months ago) link

The difference is that Psalm 69 was great and filth pig is shite. The fact that it might still be better than what came after, shows how low they sunk after the amazing run of Twitch to Psalm 69.

― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 12:28 (six months ago) link

when filth pig came out i was living with a girlfriend who had an ex-roommate who didn't have a phone so people would call for her at our apartment. one of those people was Al. my girlfriend's friend was a very very big, uh, music fan. when she was younger she had followed Nelson around the country and then later...Collective Soul. we had fun listening to Al's unintelligible phone messages.

#this90smoment

― scott seward, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 12:34 (six months ago) link

This morning's listening confirms Dark Side Of The Spoon is a lot worse than Filth Pig

― ...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 12:47 (six months ago) link

I've never understood what everyone's problem is with Filth Pig either. OK I do if you didn't like Psalm 69.

I've only listened to 3 post-Filth Pig albums and while none of them are great or even good, they all have a couple of songs I like on them.

― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 12:55 (six months ago) link

Yeah, sounds great to me. Maybe it just wasn't right for the time?

― ...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 13:16 (six months ago) link

I cannot work out whether this contemporaneous review is delighted or damning https://metalinjection.net/editorials/25-years-ago-today-ministry-released-filth-pig

― ...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 13:57 (six months ago) link

never cared for anything much after "the mind is a terrible thing..." though Jesus Built My Hotrod was fun.

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 21:43 (six months ago) link

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