Explain what you hate about Ani DiFranco.

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I wish I could get enough past her annoying singing to have ever noticed her guitar playing. I admit I know nuhhhsink.

Blood and sparkles (bloodandsparkles), Monday, 10 November 2003 18:15 (twenty years ago) link

Carey OTM about "Untouchable Face." That is a fantastic song. I think she's pretty badass, personally, running that label and putting out records by Drums and Tuba and stuff. I refuse to enter the Hatrix on this one.

Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Monday, 10 November 2003 19:00 (twenty years ago) link

I think she's f-in awesome. The girl's got a heart and she's pretty much fearless when it comes to confronting herself. Some of those songs are so absolutely perfect, it's scary. "Anyday" is probably my favorite. And FWIW, she's fucking hot, too.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 10 November 2003 19:10 (twenty years ago) link

FOR REAL THOUGH! Even back in the baldilocks days. She's totally gorgeous.

One of the things that originally turned me on to her was her distinct vocal cadence & idiosyncratic style, honestly. I think the thing I most love about it is that she feels actually affected by what she's singing, she doesn't feel detached from her own voice like many other singers.

Right now I think "Dilate" is maybe my favorite, she sounds like she's breaking down midway through it, but then when the lyricless singing parts come through it's so friggin' triumphant.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 10 November 2003 20:06 (twenty years ago) link

Well, yes, she's hot... and unbearable hot singers are, for some mysterious reason, WAAAAAY more annoying than unbearable ugly ones. It's the old fuck?/kick down stairs? dilemma.

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Monday, 10 November 2003 20:28 (twenty years ago) link

Doesn't she use Matt Chamberlain for occasional hot beats? Or was that Fiona Apple? I can never remember.

I've mostly avoided her after knowing too many of the aforementioned tunnel-vision fans.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 10 November 2003 20:53 (twenty years ago) link

"I think she's f-in awesome. The girl's got a heart and she's pretty much fearless when it comes to confronting herself. Some of those songs are so absolutely perfect, it's scary. "Anyday" is probably my favorite. And FWIW, she's fucking hot, too."
throw in the stuff about loving the fuck about her guitar playing and that's my view on the subject.
what i really love most about her is how confrontational she is. when i listen to her music (granted, not all of her songs do this, but she's got quite a few), it often feels like she's the angry girlfriend pointing out the huge flaws in my personality that ive pretended arent there. she actually makes me take a good long look at myself and try to fix the things that are horribly wrong. i cant think of any other artists that actually make me try to be a better person.

Felcher (Felcher), Monday, 10 November 2003 21:30 (twenty years ago) link

I like Living In Clip a lot despite the wretched banter. It's the late-period jam band fake the funk stuff that grates. Also dreadlocks.

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adam (adam), Monday, 10 November 2003 22:12 (twenty years ago) link

Rats.

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adam (adam), Monday, 10 November 2003 22:13 (twenty years ago) link

Pretend that's a really good picture of John Travolta from Battlefield Earth.

adam (adam), Monday, 10 November 2003 22:13 (twenty years ago) link

I have had very limited exposure to her music, but I really don't like her singing. And no matter what she might be saying, I obviously can't get into music I don't like the SOUND of.

**Incidentally, two of my best friends are a couple (lesbians) who don't like Ani DiFranco either.

paige, Monday, 10 November 2003 22:14 (twenty years ago) link

"Some of my best friends are lesbians who hate Ani DiFranco"...

the world's last minority

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Monday, 10 November 2003 22:49 (twenty years ago) link

unbearable hot singers are, for some mysterious reason, WAAAAAY more annoying than unbearable ugly ones. It's the old fuck?/kick down stairs? dilemma.

Ann, you misogynist!

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 10 November 2003 23:55 (twenty years ago) link

I for one dislike her guitar playing a lot more than I do her singing; it's every bit as forced, as showy, draws as much attention to itself.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:21 (twenty years ago) link

but isn't it, how you say, "glitchy"?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:26 (twenty years ago) link

no

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:28 (twenty years ago) link

She's pretty much abandoned that trademark flamenco-punk style recently though.

I made a compilation of Ani's best jazzy/balladic stuff for my boyfriend - who was suspicious because of the uncritical love by lesbians - and I surprised myself at how totally unlike the public idea of Ani it was.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:45 (twenty years ago) link

Butt Ugly? I think she looks beautiful!

Agent Uranium [GPC], Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:30 (twenty years ago) link

"Ann, you misogynist!

-- Kenan Hebert (edito...), November 10th, 2003."

Oh, c'mon, I want to kick Darren Spooner down the stairs after her...

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:32 (twenty years ago) link

I hope to christ no one takes that seriously and sends him after me...

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 02:05 (twenty years ago) link

of course we're going to take it seriously. this is ILM, where we take EVERYTHING EVERYONE SAYS seriously.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 02:06 (twenty years ago) link

I'd send Ani after you first, to give you the cunnilingus of a lifetime.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 02:07 (twenty years ago) link

Ani is in a special category of people whose music I do not enjoy but I am nevertheless glad that she exists.

I am bothered by:
*her weird vocal affect
*her guitar tone (thuddy, jarring)
*her general aversion to melody

I am much more bothered by:
*listening to people trying to imitate her weird vocal affect at open-mic nights
*listening to sound engineers at my college tweak the EQ on any acoustic guitar to make any acoustic guitar to make it sound like hers
*her popularity among my ex-boyfriends

Kevin Erickson, Tuesday, 11 November 2003 13:03 (twenty years ago) link

"I am much more bothered by:
*listening to people trying to imitate her weird vocal affect at open-mic nights"
ditto, ani imitators are even worse than Dave Matthews imitators

Felcher (Felcher), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 19:39 (twenty years ago) link

I was fairly obsessed with her for about half of 2002 - I heard her for the first time then, started religiously listening to anything I could find, and then kinda burnt out by the end of the year. I haven't paid her a lot of attention since then, surveying a lot of her recent material made me feel slightly embarassed at how pretentious (for lack of a better word, I guess) she'd gotten. Also didn't help when a friend pointed out how much her voice sounds like Dave Matthews'. The guitar playing is still really captivating though, and I'm glad I got to see her live at least once. The stuff about her that aggravates people is generally the stuff that appealed to me the most - the vocal affectations, the jumpy guitar-playing, the whimsy seemingly being set at 11 all the time. The songwriting is where she's really fallen off for me, she retains a really excellent talent for storytelling and setting a mood, but she just seems stuck on herself too much?

Adrian (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 09:40 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
all i can say is i LOVE ani difrancos music and have done for many years but i met her last yr at a live show in brisbane and her and her friends were so rude to me it crushed me... so my experience with meeting her was very bad.....!!!!

Lauren S, Tuesday, 30 March 2004 06:23 (twenty years ago) link

kevin - i agree. now that dave matthews is in the mix, i realize that my problem is the same with both of them. I admire their skill on guitar, but i just can't listen to it for very long. and i find her voice grating - and I love dylan and neil young and stipe and general weirdness of voice. dont know why hers is so piercing to me. but it is...

AaronK (AaronK), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 12:00 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
see: THE ANTI DIFRANCOS

Matt Smut, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:55 (nineteen years ago) link

on my posts declaring my love for her i forgot to mention that i will hate her by default until she starts charging less for ticket prices. she's great and all, but she's not worth 35 bucks. i could get a cheapo distortion pedal off ebay for less than that (and i love cheapo distortion pedals)

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I discovered an odd thing today: she is playing Clear Channel venues on her tour. You'd think that she of all people would be opposing that shit.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link

exactly!

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Re: November 9, 2003 entry -

"Folky Drivel" would be a great name for a record label. Better than "Righteous Babe", at any rate.

Now where did I put that "A Mighty Wind" DVD?

kjoerup, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link

OK so can someone sum all of this in one sentence so when all these hot collegiate chicks ask me why I don't like Ani I can tell them w/out offending them?

djdee2005, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link

"she has a pottymouth"

mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I once compared a musician friend's SPEAKING VOICE to Ani DiFranco's and she went into an raging tirade. When someone can inspire that kind of vitriol it's just kind of funny.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 05:56 (nineteen years ago) link

What is her IQ really? She should've said.

dave q, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 13:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't keep up with the output. I'd get a subscription, if I could, but otherwise her output is too much to keep track of.

subgenius (subgenius), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Whinging feminist bitch with an annoying voice and bad songs.

Although maybe she's hot. Is she?

Sasha (sgh), Thursday, 13 May 2004 04:26 (nineteen years ago) link

The most recent posts on this and the PJ Harvey thread really depress me.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 13 May 2004 12:27 (nineteen years ago) link

The most recent posts actually make me go back to Ani's latest two albums, which had drifted to the bottom of the CD pile, because I'm convinced that she must still be doing something right.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 13 May 2004 13:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Don't worry Lex, Evolve is mediocre and Educated Guess sounded distinctly unappetising over HMV headphones. I'm more and more beginning to think that Revelling/Reckoning was some weird fluke reversal in the midst of a gradual decline.

Incidentally, the irony of Sasha's complaint is that Ani's old (and not especially numerous) feminist rants were always funnier and more involving than the more generalised Mike Moore style anti-military/industrial complex stuff that she does now (though in her defence "Your Next Bold Move" - which I disliked initially for the aforementioned reasons - utilises its inter-connected metaphoric imagery superbly)

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I hate her logo and packaging as well.

Sasha (sgh), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:04 (nineteen years ago) link

she has a logo?!

the 'surface' 'noise' (electricsound), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Righteous Babe Records logo x 3 =

http://www.righteousbaberecords.com/images/m_chunkmagnets.jpg

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Don't worry Lex, Evolve is mediocre and Educated Guess sounded distinctly unappetising over HMV headphones. I'm more and more beginning to think that Revelling/Reckoning was some weird fluke reversal in the midst of a gradual decline.

Haha Revelling/Reckoning was my introduction to Ani! And it's ironic given what's generally considered to be her biggest flaw (self-editing) that her double album is the only consistently brilliant LP I've heard of hers. Dilate comes close, but nothing else.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 14 May 2004 01:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Have you got Not A Pretty Girl? Imperfectly?

Yeah what's also weird is that all the Ani fans seem to rate To The Teeth and Evolve - neither of which really struck a chord w/ me bar a few fantastic songs on the former - and dislike Revelling/Reckoning.

Here's what I wrote on R/R when I got into it.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 14 May 2004 02:15 (nineteen years ago) link

No, and no... I have Up Up Up Up Up Up and have heard but do not possess Little Plastic Castle... what I've heard has made me interested enough to keep up with what she's doing, but not to delve too deeply into the most massive back catalogue ever (esp. as Ani albums seem to be mega-expensive in the UK). Great stuff on Revelling/Reckoning - the reason why I'm still giving the last two Ani albums a chance is because R/R took so long to grow on me; as you said, "Okay, so if you're gonna spend a week listening to just me, I better give you a week's worth of music to listen to." It actually seems like she put a lot of work into all the hooks and textures of R/R, whereas at other times it can sound like she wandered into the studio, ad-libbed tunelessly and aimlessly for seven minutes, then wandered off again.

"So What" might be one of my favourite Ani songs... lyrically amazing, and I love the distant jazz clarinet circling her.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 14 May 2004 10:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Please Alex switch your preferences! Buy the two albums I mentioned (and Little Plastic Castles actually - but particularly Not A Pretty Girl) but don't buy more recent stuff! R/R took a while to grow on me too but the other recent albums reach a certain threshold and then hang there lifelessly.

"So What" *is* great - the 3 drinks/2 drinks bit in the chorus, or "but nothing comes at first/and little comes at all/and when inspiration finally hits you/it barely even breaks your fall". Likewise I love the line in "Rock Paper Scissors": "Desire drags me right out of myself/like a gas-soaked rope tied to a piece of coal/i'm getting pretty good at looking on the bright side/while the flames rip along the sand and swallow me whole." Or the extended riff in "Marrow" on "a taste of your own medicine". Great stuff! Some of my favourite lyrics ever.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 15 May 2004 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought R/R was pretty terrible (a nice song or two that wear off), and am not much interested to check out what she's doing today, but everything from Little Plastic Castle on back is worth your time. Living in Clip might be the best first purchase and might be all you need.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 15 May 2004 13:55 (nineteen years ago) link

My preferences are definitely not towards the later stuff - just that it's easier to check out (promo copies etc) than the back catalogue. I actually dug Educated Guess out yesterday and it's very dull indeed - I don't believe there's a single decent hook on it. I'll look out for the albums you mentioned though.

The 3 beers/2 beers line - yes! Also, the munificence of metaphors on "School Night", and the "you were the make-me-mad guy... now I am the bad guy" couplet on "Sick Of Me". R/R is a perfect summer album, actually - the ballads are all languid and warm, and the more upbeat ones are totally sun-kissed. "OK" in particular needs some love!

The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 15 May 2004 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Ani's in that select group of people I hate but have no desire to slag in public

rip van wanko, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:38 (six years ago) link

(i do not consider hurting's post a slag btw)

rip van wanko, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:40 (six years ago) link

three years pass...

the new album is great

uberweiss, Wednesday, 24 March 2021 21:50 (three years ago) link

The first half sounds like she has been listening to D'Angelo.

Agree this is great, trying to decide whether it's her best since Knuckle Down or Red Letter Year or Allergic to Water (though really the albums after Knuckle Down tend to blur together for me).

Tim F, Thursday, 25 March 2021 00:35 (three years ago) link

Am I inventing this memory or did she complain that Eno “stole” her observation that the Eventide H3000 Ultra Harmonizer sounds great when you overdrive it?

I can’t find it anywhere on the internet right now. And yeah, dudes take credit for women’s ideas all the time. But even still, this is some weak sauce.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 25 March 2021 01:41 (three years ago) link

"shrinking violet" is achingly perfect. it's like "if i believe you" (the 1975) mixed with "tolerate it" (taylor swift)

There's nothing I can say
Beyond this whispered wish
Your anger has a hunger, mister
And I'm its favourite dish
There's nothing I can say
So I don't make a sound
I just wipe the counter and I
I keep my head down

überweiss, Friday, 26 March 2021 16:10 (three years ago) link

The last Secondary English Curriculum I used incorporated the lyrics of her song “Amendment” and asked students to analyze the language she employed. I got more out of it than the kids, but they’re apathetic to everything

beamish13, Friday, 26 March 2021 18:52 (three years ago) link

Gotta say I did not expect to see much Ani love on ilm, but heartened nonetheless. I listened to her a ton in college, then fell away for a bit but have been paying more attention to her recent stuff. Hoping to get my copy this weekend.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 26 March 2021 19:03 (three years ago) link


"shrinking violet" is achingly perfect. it's like "if i believe you" (the 1975) mixed with "tolerate it" (taylor swift)

OTM but also lol at this Beatlejuice-like attempt to manifest Brad in this thread.

Tim F, Friday, 26 March 2021 22:28 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

I realized that I hated my roommate 26 years ago when he asked me if I liked Annie. Me thinking Annie Lennox replied, “Oh my God I totally love her!” and then he started playing Ani Difranco… 🤢

Ani Difranco has no redeeming qualities to my ears. Sorry to those who like her but fingers on a chalkboard are more appealing than her incessant whining and dreadful stream of consciousness word vomit.

Mbaby, Saturday, 15 April 2023 21:04 (one year ago) link


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