PO5: Worst Pavement and Malkmus tracks

Then pick any 5 from Terror Twilight. I am with the camp that can't sit through this, much less remember any songs or titles.

Oh, I was the biggest Pavement fan on the planet once.

Am I the only one who thinks Pig Lib is a massive step forward from the self-titled solo record?

1. "Chesley's Little Wrists"
2. "No Life Singed Her"
3. "Conduit for Sale!"

Not only are those three the three worst Pavement songs ever, those are three of the WORST SONGS I'VE EVER HEARD BY ANYBODY. It's songs like those that just make me baffled why anybody would consider Pavement to be one of the all-time greats. Music can't get much more annoying than that, can it?

a distant fourth and fifth:
4 and 5. the one on Malky's first solo album where he talks about - HA HA HA HA! - the actor from Westworld and the one on Brighten the Corners where he makes fun of Geddy Lee!! HA HA! THAT'S SO FUCKING FUNNY!! Hahahahahahahahaha! Genius! You deluded fool! You're worse than those shitty Sonic Youth songs on Daydream Nation!!!!

Stephen Malkmus, much like Sonic Youth before him, is not funny. Malky, STOP trying to be a smarmy indier-than-thou irreverent funnyboy Beck-esque jackass because you have absolutely NO idea what the fuck you're doing!! Rant over, thankyougoodbye

More than a few people knew it was bad, though.

UNTIL THE GODDAMN SHOUTY PART COMES IN AND SCREAMS IN YOUR FUCKING EARS AND GIVES YOU A FUCKING HEADACHE LIKE YOU WERE LISTENING TO METAL FUCKING MACHINE MUSIC OR SOMETHING!!!!!

My bottom five (and I'm the world's biggest Malk fanboy - I think everyone who is dissing Terror Twilight is nuts)

Brink Of The Clouds
Kneeling Bus
Recorder Grot (Rally)
Krell Vid-User
Drive By Fader

Also: I'm not crazy about the alternate version of "Type Slowly" which is called "Slowly Typed." The weakest songs to ever be on a proper Malkmus/Pavement album are "Black Book" and "Cream Of Gold."

Westing: "Price Yeah!"
Slanted: "Jackals, False Grails - The Lonesome Era"
Crooked: "Hit the Plane Down"
Wowee: "Extradition"
Brighten: "Passat Dream"

even the blind man makes a basket every now and again

I quite like parts of Pig Lib, nonetheless. I don't mind Craw Song, though I'm not well-enough informed to know whether the sexual politics in it are what irks the above critics. I do tend to prefer it when Malmus sings nonsense, rather than all this up-to-the minute stuff about sexuality or oysters.

I think I like Passat Dream - I always equate it with Blur's "London Loves" for some reason as one of the few mid-90s indie tracks that took major hommage from the 80s.

I wanted to start a thread about Malkmus's obsession with Revolver and Sweet Child'o' Mine. Anyone else hearing these in a lot of his stuff (especially Pig Lib but a few Pave albums rip riffs right out of these).

/drunk

I find the strange mix of Pentangular songy bits with Robin Trower guitar solos irresistible. And the attempts to do Fairport Convention type ensembles are charming just for the effrontery - I mean, the dear Jicks can only dream of the instrumental mastery required to pull that off. But I like the irony of an American using British folk rhythms, because the opposite has always been the case - Brits heliotropically playing music based on American blues traditions.

I never liked "Raft" too much. "Shady Lane" is another one I don't care for too much. "Type Slowly" and "We Are Underused" are pretty grotesque, in my opinion. "Hit the Plane Down" I think works all right in the context of "Crooked Rain"--as an old-fashioned album track--but yeah, it's kind of lame actually when you think about it. Over the years, I've come to dislike "Brighten the Corners" more and more, apart from a few great moments like "Transport" and "No Tan Lines" and "Starlings of the Slipstream." "Major Leagues" is another kind of obvious one but I actually think it's just a good pop song of the kind Malkmus was always trying to stick on those later albums, there's a depth there that "Shady Lane" seems to lack. I only have the first Malkmus solo thing and to tell the truth, I like it just fine--it's not great but so what, I find it pretty entertaining and pleasantly out-of-it.

if we're just pavement try-

1-saganaw (c'mon, this one so obvious!!)
2-bille
3--cream of gold
4-we are underused (shit, just put all of TT on here, sans ..and the)
5-pig lib (the album)

Xp sure yeah. But it was such a disappointment after Watery Domestic.

I did however fully embrace and still adore Stereo, which I guess was their nearest equivalent. And a great tune.

I guess this isn't that thread though.

Just Scott's songs right?

revived because i was listening to btc for the first time in ages and i heard that line and it struck me immediately as a will oldham take. that said slowly typed is one of the worst ever pavement songs.

Shady Lane is p good but would be p great if second half was chopped off

The spacey outro? That part's good!

Listening to "TT" now (Godrich track order) -- I'm gonna take "Ann Don't Cry" off my list, and sub in "Major Leagues." I know this is really important stuff!

For a long time I would have told you that "TT" is a weaker album than "BTC," but I now hold the opposite p.o.v. (also really important for you to know)

yeah I think that's become the more accepted view & I agree

Gotta make another revision to my list above -- I realized that "Mercy: The Laundromat" is the track I dislike most at the end of Westing (...not "My First Mine").

the foregoing has been another quality thread revive by morrisp

Least favorite, eh? *cracks knuckles gamely*