Jimmy Webb's Immortal "Wichita Lineman"

glen played his own bass on "wichita lineman."

also recommended: jimmy webb's own rendition on his solo Ten Easy Pieces album - the piano accentuates the song's hidden bill evans harmonies.

its genius. the 'I need you' is one of the single greatest lines in western art.

who produced it? its got this golden lustre to it

Campbells voice is under rated......he sings Galveston beautifully as well. Didnt he sing/play on some Beach Boys records?

campbell toured as a beach boy in '64/5 after brian dropped out of doing gigs. plays guitar on pet sounds, SMiLE passim, as well as being a spector/wall of sound regular.

brian wrote and produced glen's 1965 why-wasn't-it-a-hit "guess i'm dumb" single. glen is also the lead vocalist on "my world fell down" by sagittarius, which record had input from bruce johnstone and brian wilson (the sound FX in the middle section were originally intended for the "in the cantina" section of "heroes & villains").

Glan Campbell's Wichita Lineman - C/D?
"Wichita Lineman": C/D
Recommend more songs like "Wichita Lineman" please.

OTM. See also that record's version of "Galveston", which is even more of a revelation. Just try to ignore the cover snap with a barefoot Jimmy.

glen is also the lead vocalist on "my world fell down" by sagittarius, which record had input from bruce johnstone and brian wilson (the sound FX in the middle section were originally intended for the "in the cantina" section of "heroes & villains")

I believe that's a myth...

it is, isn't it? he didn't write it but i'm reasonably sure his was the first recording.

I just realized that Bobby Lyle's "Magic Carpet Ride", a rare-groove r&B song from the 70's, totally cops that part.

You must hear it if you are a fan of Johnny Cash or of the song. I'm just sayin.

Bullshit. Anyway, since you're so concerned with how many *different* words are in the song, how many *different* words do you think Dylan used? Probably not 3 and a half billion. "It Takes a Lot To Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry" (despite the long title) is approximately as laconic as this song and is at least as effective, as far as I'm concerned.

Campbell's version was pretty ubiquitous on even top 40 radio circa 1979.

To be honest, this line kind of bugs me. If he "needs" her more than "wants" her, then why in the very next line does he say "and I want you for all time" - there's the "want" again - didn't he just say he "needs" her more than "wants" her? - so why doesn't he say he "needs" her for all time? Because it would sound weird, I guess. How could you "need" someone for all time? But still, it's clumsy.

and you're seriously saying that a song needs to be specific to be good? because that would leave a lot of dylan, esp. 'visions of johanna,' right out on the doorstep.

i never said this was THE greatest song of all time. but it must be considered. 'visions' is good but not on the same level methinks.

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I like "Galveston" almost as much. Campbell's vocal on "WL" is very subtle, actually, listen to the inflection on the word "still." That's great singing, it sounds so simple but it's not.

Many people complain about the Al De Lory strings on this song and others. I think "WL" just about defines good countrypolitan music, myself, it's incredibly listenable, smooth yet it's real. Glen's country--the way he says "want" as "wont." I have no trouble with anyone who says this is one the finest songs of all time, none at all.

I'm not, Amateur(ist) — it's crap. And believe me: I wanted to like that record more than you can possibly imagine. Or maybe you can.

are you supposed to revere something in an irreverent tone?

i do have a distaste for hyperbole. it's nice to read something like o. nate's post, then. since this board is so full of hyperbole.

hmmm...this is interesting, because webb has a problem with writing really abstract love lyrics with overly fussy metaphors. in fact i would even say that some of his lyrics verge on the sort of mushy pop-psychological stuff that really turns me off. (as in the "reunion" record which i can't dismiss so easily.)

i think it's this song's specificity, its occasional rendering of concrete detail, that lifts it above a lot of other webb compositions.

Yes.

OK, fine, but something typed in haste on a message board should necessarily be held to the same level of literary standards as a song, especially if it's claimed to be the greatest of all time.

Maybe the line means what people are saying it means: I x more than y, and I y a lot. But if so, this doesn't strike me as a particularly clever or poetic construction - it's almost childish, really. For a more grown-up, complex, and sexy take on the whole "need vs. want" thing, see Smokey Robinson's "You Really Got a Hold On Me".

That was a favorite theme of Motown and vintage R&B. See also Marvin Gaye's "Ain't that Peculiar" ("you do me wrong but still I'm crazy bout you"), Martha and the Vandellas' "Nowhere to Run" ("I know you're no good for me, but you've become a part of me").

As far as "need vs. want" - "You Really Got a Hold On Me" is a great song, especially in the Beatles version, but its razor's edge approach/avoid take on love is actually easier to pull off successfully than the infinite corridor of want that is evoked in "Wichita Lineman."

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That is, I'm lonely and cold and I'm holding on alone here, doing all the work, but I'm still at it--because I need and want you so much, I have no choice but to keep working at the relationship.

i like this about the song.

That said, I agree with Kenny L that your arguments are good and your perspective is perfectly fine. I enjoy not-agreeing just as much as agreeing, provided that no one is an asshole about it.

I'm old enough to remember when the song was first out, I was a Glen Campbell fan as a tyke. I never understood what it was about at all for years, but I got it, he was lonely, driving the main road and searching in the sun for another overload, which is such a brilliant line.

Webb's songs are strange--I remember also being puzzled by this Fifth Dimension tune of his, "Carpet Man," I guess the guy was getting walked on or was walking on a woman, so to speak? It's really weird and if I hear it right there's a line "and then the coroner will have a dance on you."

The version he did on Jools in 2008 was pretty amazing. Stay for the "fine" at the very end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMFOnpT9RkQ

Glen Campbell still a pretty damn good guitar player at age 72 in that clip. Lot of guys in a group setting like that would have just sang the tune and left someone in the ensemble to do all of those fills from the original arrangement.

OTM. Was just telling James Redd, Sr. something to that effect.

that's great, as is the weird Forbidden Planet alien world studio one.

That Simpsons bit where Homer's going through his records with the implication that they're terrible and Glen Campbell is one of them bothers me beyond reason.

http://sadyoutube.com/post/52276658436/this-song-makes-me-cry-my-dad-was-a-truck

I am never clicking through to read this, because "My dad was a truck" is perfect enough without seeing the rest of the sentence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM6tER2llgU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZascMOE42Tw

http://sadyoutube.com/post/52276658436/this-song-makes-me-cry-my-dad-was-a-truck

people on this thread dissing Reunion.... my god. you sick people. was super happy to tell Webb how much i loved it when i caught him live.

Crazy. That album's great but I wish they hadn't done that Lowell George song. He's got a habit of doing pointless covers though, like the crap Beatles cover on "The Magic Garden".