Taking Sides: "Velvet Goldmine" versus "Almost Famous"

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Velvet Goldmine wins for hot actors and little Oscar Wilde saying "I want to be a pop icon."

that, and the little boy jack fairy rubbing the blood over his lips to make lipstick after getting beat up!

tehresa (tehresa), Thursday, 21 April 2005 04:47 (eighteen years ago) link

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always makes me laugh.

tehresa (tehresa), Thursday, 21 April 2005 04:53 (eighteen years ago) link

velvet goldmine by a mile.

altho almost famous is useful, since yelling "c'mon Stillwater, play louder" at the band on stage REALLLLLY pisses them off! :D

kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Thursday, 21 April 2005 05:26 (eighteen years ago) link

velvet goldmine in theory = the best film ever
velvet goldmine in practice = the worst film ever

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 21 April 2005 05:54 (eighteen years ago) link

also, fairuza balk was soooo hot in AF.

for those who can't recall, here's fairuza herself, pictured here with a lucky fan:

http://img245.echo.cx/img245/8521/fairuzabalk26rp.th.jpg

kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Thursday, 21 April 2005 06:15 (eighteen years ago) link

fairuza is ALWAYS hott. (that said, i hate both movies for vastly different reasons.)

nathalie doing a soft foot shuffle (stevie nixed), Thursday, 21 April 2005 06:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, Kate Hudson in "Almost Famous" looks exactly like our Amber. And "Velvet Goldmine" had more "highlights" i.e. good scenes, as well as more "terrible".

Dunno.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 21 April 2005 07:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Velvet Goldmine, because it has an absolutely fantastic opening credits scene with Eno music and Christian Bale. Almost Famous has an opening credits scene with, um, I can't remember.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 21 April 2005 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Almost Famous also loses points for Anna Paquin's general creepiness and having more lines than Fairuza Balk.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 21 April 2005 12:23 (eighteen years ago) link

VG easily, tho I think all the faux-Citizen Kane stuff is crap. And best running-thru-streets title sequence since A Hard Day's Night.

Billy Crudup w/ bad facial hair, what's the point of THAT? F Balk into pillar is the highlight.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 April 2005 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

will you all balk at the notion that i think f. balk is creepy?

jill schoelen is the queen of my dreams! (Homosexual II), Thursday, 21 April 2005 12:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Velvet Goldmine = FAN FICTION MADE FLESH!!! or, well, at least celluloid. Which makes it the best film ever, both in concept and practise.

Almost Famous was a bit "meh". I'm not interested in actual groupies, only conceptual groupiedom. Plus, the journalist irritated me a lot more than Christian Bale blokey.

Lapdog Shoesnog (kate), Thursday, 21 April 2005 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I disliked both when I first saw them. But Velvet Goldmine now gets better and better every time I see it to the point where I really love it. There is no reason to see Almost Famous again. Everyone in it, except the mom, was unlikeable. Why is Christian Bale so sweaty all throughtout VG, though.

h0t h0t h0rsey (Carey), Thursday, 21 April 2005 12:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, that's a point. The first time I saw VG, I was a bit disappointed, but every time I see it, I catch something else that I missed the first time, making it seem deeper and deeper and more interesting.

Lapdog Shoesnog (kate), Thursday, 21 April 2005 12:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I prefer Almost Famous.

But what I like best are the opening credits to Velvet Goldmine.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:01 (eighteen years ago) link

VG bored me, but AF actively annoyed me so I guess VG wins. I keep meaning to watch Velvet Goldmine again because so many people I know sing its praises, so maybe I missed something the first time I watched it.

Leon Future Coffee (Ex Leon), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess I enjoyed some of Almost Famous. It was trying to tug at my strings too much = thumbs down.

Velvet Goldmine for blount's reasons and for the soundtrack. I used to have a VG poster on my wall in college.

xpost the opening sequence of VG is great! The kids in platforms running to get tickets!

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:05 (eighteen years ago) link

But heck, "High Fidelity" really annoyed me. (nothing to do with it being americanised)

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:05 (eighteen years ago) link

The surprise ending of VG, though, seemed to be the blatantly obvious plot as indicated right at the beginning...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I found the plot to be less than blatantly obvious, I.E. I couldn't tell it was there.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:13 (eighteen years ago) link

This is Spinal Tap.

latebloomer: But when the monkey die, people gonna cry. (latebloomer), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:23 (eighteen years ago) link

velvet goldmine in theory = the best film ever
velvet goldmine in practice = the worst film ever

I don't know if I'd call the theory of Velvet Goldmine the best film ever, but it's certainly an era rife with the potential for great storytelling. I heartily agree that its execution places it firmly in the running for worst film ever.

Still, Velvet Goldmine doesn't give me the fucking shivers of abject loathing that Almost Famous (which I'd place alongside The Big Chill and The Committments in the pre-packaged nostaliga department). Ugh.

Moreover, with the celestial exception of the afore-mentioned This Is Spinal Tap (admittedly a parody and thus excluded from the running), I cannot think of a film about fictional bands that doesn't fail miserably.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, is it me, or was Velvet Goldmine longer than fuckin' Ghandi?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:34 (eighteen years ago) link

blount is so otm in his first two posts. the only thing that almost famous gets across (and i really don't think it was on purpose) is how boring the whole business of touring is.

lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Alex, I have this with every Haynes film. :-(

nathalie doing a soft foot shuffle (stevie nixed), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link

It was you, Alex.

Ewan Mac is the only recent trou-dropping actor who had something worth showing.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Huey Lewis just experienced shrinkage w/ your cavalier dismissal of his unit, Morb!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I pick VG, although I don't think the Bowie-esque character is charismatic enough. Morbius and others OTM about opening sequence. I love the bit where Christian Bale buys a new record and brings it home to play it.

Among the many annoying things in AF- "I am a golden god!"

Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, that whole slipping the LP on the turntable scene may be the most erotic one in the film. I also liked Bale's "MOM! DAD! That's MEE!" yelp.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh God, I had momentarily forgotten the whole buying-the-record-and-playing-it sequence.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I did like the replication of that album cover as the soundtrack tray inlay art.

I am still annoyed a full version of the fake 80s corp rock song by Shudder to Think, "People Rocking People," has not surfaced. (You can hear it playing at a couple of points in the 1984 sequences, as in the start of the bar scene.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Velvet Goldmine = FAN FICTION MADE FLESH!!! or, well, at least celluloid.

I love the short scene in VG where the girls are playing with their Brian and Kurt dolls.

Toni Collette's accent work, weaving between affected English to New Yawkish is yet another piece of evidence in my case for the absolute dominance of Australians when it comes to English language accents.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I love the short scene in VG where the girls are playing with their Brian and Kurt dolls.

It's nice as both Haynes' tribute to himself and as an element in the film in general -- it works regardless of whether you know Superstar or not.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I found the plot to be less than blatantly obvious, I.E. I couldn't tell it was there.

OTM -- I couldn't really tell you what VG was "about." Then again, I can't even remotely recall what The Big Sleep is about, either, and I've seen it about 15 times. It totally doesn't matter.

happy fun ball (kenan), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

i thought that _A Mighty Wind_ was a pretty good movie about fake bands...

kingfish, Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link

i thought that _A Mighty Wind_ was a pretty good movie about fake bands...

...but, like it's sibling This is Spinal Tap...it's a parody.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link

and awful

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 21 April 2005 23:17 (eighteen years ago) link

what, do you prefer your movies about fake bands to star Liv Tyler?

kingfish, Thursday, 21 April 2005 23:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Velvet Goldmine is one of the great movies of all time, never mind great movies about Rock and/or Roll. Assuming nobody can film Great Jones Street. Narrative died durink Help, or 1850, depending which arc you're stitched to.

Failin Huxley (noodle vague), Friday, 22 April 2005 00:33 (eighteen years ago) link

what, do you prefer your movies about fake bands to star Liv Tyler?

Uh, hell yeah.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 22 April 2005 00:35 (eighteen years ago) link

OTM -- I couldn't really tell you what VG was "about." Then again, I can't even remotely recall what The Big Sleep is about, either, and I've seen it about 15 times. It totally doesn't matter

OTM. The plot isn't what the movie is about. The movie is about glitter, debauchery and flash.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 22 April 2005 00:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, one of these movies is about the Black Fucking Crowes.

Failin Huxley (noodle vague), Friday, 22 April 2005 01:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Black Fucking Crowes >>>>> David Bowie

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 22 April 2005 01:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Assuming you've had a lobotomy and a permanent intravenous acid drip, yeah.

Failin Huxley (noodle vague), Friday, 22 April 2005 01:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I've had piles that were more classic than the Black Crowes.

Failin Huxley (noodle vague), Friday, 22 April 2005 01:08 (eighteen years ago) link

better than Bowie is damning with the faintest of praise.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 22 April 2005 01:10 (eighteen years ago) link

U think the Robinson bros R good.

Failin Huxley (noodle vague), Friday, 22 April 2005 01:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't drag Robinsons into this.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 22 April 2005 01:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Can I drag them through the mud?

Then again there's Kozelek.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 April 2005 01:21 (eighteen years ago) link

(I am one!)

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 22 April 2005 01:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I hated teh Veklvet Goldmine treatment of Iggy as someone with no rhythm. Preferred Almost Famous .

Stevolende, Saturday, 3 June 2017 22:50 (six years ago) link

Velvet Goldmine.

Fiddle Catstro (latebloomer), Sunday, 4 June 2017 03:07 (six years ago) link

I kinda love Velvet Goldmine, and as messy as it is I think it's the key to understanding Todd Haynes. He's made better films, but I think they become even better by watching Velvet Goldmine a couple of times and thinking about it.

Frederik B, Sunday, 4 June 2017 08:28 (six years ago) link

three years pass...

20 years! Feels like 10

https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-news/almost-famous-20th-anniversary-reunion-1017345/

piscesx, Thursday, 18 June 2020 20:50 (three years ago) link

I was watching Gone Girl two nights ago, which is the only time I've seen Patrick Fugit (William) since.

clemenza, Thursday, 18 June 2020 21:09 (three years ago) link

His career really didn't take off. I forgot he was in Spun. Also really creepy in Queen of Earth.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 18 June 2020 21:20 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

finally saw the “Untitled” cut aka Bootleg version

if you hate the movie you’ll still hate it obviously but imo it’s better than the theatrical cut, has a lot more moments btw characters, it benefits from being a bit slower paced

there is an extra scene where Stillwater do an on-air radio interview with Kyle Gass playing a stoned radio dj that is hilarious & perfect
(imo you could put it in the dictionary under “Album Oriented Rock radio station”)

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 July 2021 17:41 (two years ago) link

one month passes...
nine months pass...

LOOOONG overdue, just waiting on whenever the formal announcment is.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 19 June 2022 16:41 (one year ago) link


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