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1) Notts failed to get more than ONE bonus point from their game
2) Yorkshire and Durham drew
3) Durham got maximum batting points.

Astonishingly, 1) and 3) have already come true, and 2) looks to be very much on the cards barring an absolute mare for Durham tomorrow.

Notts would have got the 2 bonus points by taking 7 or more Sussex wickets inside 130 overs, an occurrence which happens in almost every single Championship game. With an abysmal bowling display, they took just 6, accruing one point.

Notts would then have got the 1 further point they needed by scoring only 200 runs in their own first innings. Sussex had scored 550-odd for 6, so the pitch would seem to have been ideally suited to this.

They crumbled from 130-2 to 165 all out.

One of the biggest chokes in recent British sporting history?

(P.S. I'm a Worcs fan)

anyone following the test in hamilton?

yeah, thought so.

me, but its a bit of a foregone conclusion now innit

just looked at the scorecard at lunch. 36/4 from 18 overs. the scores of cook and vaughan total 22 runs from 33 balls, which means the rest of the sorry crew have made 12 runs from just under 13 overs. A run an over???

fraser's comments are spot on: england would never have declared as vettori did. they'd have waited until about 3 balls before tea, just in case mccullum hit 50 sixes in a row.

Do colly and bell have the bottle to survive? Better in this situation than KP and co but that doesn't mean anything.

they'll survive for the best part of an hour or so, in the english way. i'd be very surprised if the match goes into the final session, once the spinners get into their ribs and there are 4 or 5 around the bat.

funny how these things cycle. england outclassed at rugby today, being outclassed at cricket in a country where they probably expected to win, and going through transition in football. contrast to a few years ago: rugby world cup holders, ashes winners, rooney breaking into the england team...

Well, as a scotsman I enjoyed the rugby at least :) The cricket was sadly more predictable.

As a working class Englishman living oop North I enjoyed the rugby.

You enjoy England getting beat at anything, Jim.

Nah, the cricket is painful. But they've lost the plot big time, and I'm not a fan of Vaughan nowadays.

explain the class ref?

as in, how it is important in terms of the sport?

in the meantime, collingwood: 0 runs, 30 balls. should be zero balls, no fkg fight.

I don't care for Rugby Union cos I've too many hoorays are into it. In fact Guscott came out with a classic bit of twattery midweek when they dropped that dude for going clubbing - he said something along the lines of that behaviour not being good enough for Rugby players, but you'd expect it of footballers. Cock.

"cos I've known too many hoorays who are into it", I mean.

fairdos. i'm not a hooray, or a northerner (altho i live in mcr), but i like both codes but prefer union. i think i like contested scrums more than uncontested. but i like the rigidity of fixed numbers of tackles in league, although that leads to a sterility in terms of lack of depth of player size/beef/athleticism. league is homogenised rugby, union still has the cream separated at the top of the bottle.

just getting at: why is rugby cursed with class? football isn't (although the moneyed types are trying to make it that way).

League is nothing in Scotland. We like Union.

I don't think Union is a class signifier outside of England, hardly. I don't dislike watching Union matches, tho I far prefer League which to me is a way faster, more beautiful game to watch. I just hate the England team and their smug, Daily Mail reading, management book co-writing players.

Oh i dunno, lots of posh people play rugby. But when it comes to the national team no-one cares as if they can beat England then it's good enough for them. It was one of the few sports we were good at.

collingwood's gone. 2 runs from 50 balls.

Collingwood lbw Vettori 2 (Eng 59-5)
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i know, it's just i'm not smug and don't read the daily mail, but i prefer union etc etc. talking to my wife's uncle in keighley the other day, he used to report on league for the local papers. an avowed league man, had ended up watching the england france union game a couple of weeks ago. "and that constant rucking at the end of the game, that leaves me cold", whereas there was me feeling england had ground out the victory.

herman, i think what fuels english union fans is the knowledge that all the other home/euro nations have made their season if they stuff the english. it makes me (as an england supporter) feel like a man utd supporter (which i bloody ain't). but when it got to the last 10 minutes in murrayfield today i had to go to the kitchen to start cooking the kids' steaks. that horrible, hollow feeling.

No fucking chance of england grounding out anything in cricket. I should've learned by now really, yet I put myself through it all the time. The ashes is such a distant memory now.
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(Eng 60-7)

and xxxxxpost, no posh people play league.

i can't get over uncontested scrums: if you don't contest them why bother locking down? why not just have a tap free kick with the opposition having to be 5 yards?

for fucking 7?????? (xp)

at least we're up to 2 runs an over...

67-8

Bells got us over 100 at least

110 all out. A fucking shambles.

I don't think Union is a class signifier outside of England, hardly.

A kind of relevant article I read yesterday: http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/its-a-crime-how-footy-heroes-go-bad/2008/03/07/1204780065538.html

Also It's pleasing the NRL season starts next week :):):)

bump for ^^^ this article.

League is nothing in Scotland. We like Union

"We" being some border hill farmers and assorted bankers/ brokers/ lawyers in Edinburgh.

I don't think Union is a class signifier outside of England, hardly

Ha ha, right

Okay, I didn't know this. So Union is a poshoes sport everywhere except Wales?

I don't know about Ireland, but I would have guessed so there too

No it's NOT a fucking poshos sport!

Nor is Union a working class sport.

However folks of all classes play and watch it. I suppose it's predominantly middle-class.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2007/09/01/wags/p4.jpg

It is in Scotland (xxp) Which is why next-to-nobody plays it or watches it

http://www.sportingheritage.co.uk/acatalog/spc416_jason_leonard.jpg

extract from an interview with Jason Leonard :

When did you first begin playing rugby?

The main sport at my school, in Barking, East London, was very much football. Everyone wanted to play for West Ham, the local team. Rugby took off under a new sports teacher who loved the game and it appealed to me immediately. I liked the idea that you could run round for 80 minutes knocking lumps out of each other

I know that Bath considers itself to be posher than Bristol because it's a rugby town and not a football town. Also football games at the Mem = public transport is packed, streets busy with pedestrians; rugby games at the Mem = roads crammed with 4x4s and BMWs.

Look POLO is a posho's game. Rugby Union isn't.

Aussies postpone tour of Pakistan http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/7288996.stm

lol awesome stuff there. Vettori on the last ball of the over goes for a single to keep strike, but the ball goes to monty who lets it go through his legs for a 4. 2 balls later Gillespie is bowled and David Lloyd says it was all part of the monty masterplan.
NZ 181-9 in reply to England's 342

League is nonsense. However, Union might be the best sport played.

... wait isn't this a cricket thread?

rong.

anderson's one good test for another 3 years (and 2 back problems)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/counties/somerset/7297935.stm

its all in the mindset installed in them by coach and captain. Such a huge difference between that and the England we all grew up with.

this from the guardian report is interesting:

Stokes typically made his own telling contribution on the day, with a jaw-dropping direct hit on the dive to run out the dangerous Ravindra Jadeja from wide mid-on and leave his fellow all-rounder hobbling off with a hamstring tweak. But perhaps his biggest impact was the husbandry of Hartley, incredibly the third spinner under his watch after Will Jacks and Rehan Ahmed last winter to start his Test career with a five-wicket haul.

i wonder how long mccullum will be around

cunt team managed by cunts plays like cunts idk maybe i'm missing something

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lol

Beautiful

Very funny

Classic England

well done Ireland, their first victory in Tests!