Peanuts: Search and Destroy

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Joe Shlabotnik, natch.

felicity (felicity), Monday, 23 September 2002 05:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Justin Dillingham, who suggested dropping such comic strips as "Marmaduke", "Nancy" and "The Family Circus", might have something there. I'll go further and suggest that perhaps the funny pages should be overhauled altogether or even dropped. Such an action might just be the wake-up call needed to get better comic strips. If there aren't any new strips that appeal to a large number of readers, then the funny pages are going to be dropped anyway. Sooner or later, the readers are going to realize how lame many of the comic strips are and are going to demand that something else replace them.

Joel Bader, Monday, 23 September 2002 18:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

The comics pages should be nothing but Peanuts, Doonesbury, Dilbert, The Boondocks, For Better Or For Worse, Get Fuzzy, Foxtrot, Adam and Sylvia.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 September 2002 19:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

joel you're almost as bad as josh!!

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 23 September 2002 19:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

this just in: Nancy and Family Circus lame shocker

They are great because they are lame! They make the other ones seem funny.

felicity (felicity), Monday, 23 September 2002 20:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

nancy is one of the great pieces of concept art of the 20th century.

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 23 September 2002 20:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

and i haven't even gotten to the comic strip yet!!

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 23 September 2002 20:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

(oooh, tough crowd.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 23 September 2002 20:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

jess, I kept inadvertently making precisely that same substitution in my head whenever you brought up Nancy on the comics thread.

felicity (felicity), Monday, 23 September 2002 20:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

I vote for Dan as comic strip syndication president. Well, ok, he might want to add Calvin and Hobbes to be sure of getting my vote, but Get Fuzzy and the Boondocks = YES. (Boondocks? R in liking comic not containing any felines shocker!)

Rebecca (reb), Monday, 23 September 2002 21:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Is Calvin and Hobbes still being run in newspapers? Because that should certainly go in (as long as we all agree that the slash story NEVER SEES PRINT).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 September 2002 21:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

You are a wise man.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 September 2002 21:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Everyone who likes Nancy should write to the caretaker of her legacy, Guy Gilchrist - at guy@gilchriststudios.com - and express your support for a coffee-table Nancy book. He wants to do it but his publisher doesn't.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 23 September 2002 21:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha i suddenly got this image of "Guy Gilchrist, caretaker" as this olver twist-ian headmaster. ("MORE?!?!", etc.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 23 September 2002 21:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

(as long as we all agree that the slash story NEVER SEES PRINT).

Am I missing something?

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 23 September 2002 21:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

If you are, you're happier that way. I'd find you a link but the thought of seeing it again even for a second is just too horrific.

(+ I thought old C&Hs were being reprinted in newspapers, but maybe I'm wrong.)

Rebecca (reb), Monday, 23 September 2002 22:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Such an action might just be the wake-up call needed to get better comic strips.

I sincerely doubt it...newspaper publishers don't like the comic strips in the first place because they take up valuable space that could be used on ad pages. This is why the size of the comics has been shrunken down so much over the past 15 years or so. If the current comic strips were done away with they would not be replaced. Esp. since the readership for newspapers in general has aged so much.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 11:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Right you Americans, tell me what the Snoopy dance is ACTUALLY meant to be as I only know Xanders interpretation which is possibly the best thing EVER (although maybe I am saying that because the episode is extremely funny ha ha) nevermind.

Sarah (starry), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 11:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Where's Willie Hearst when you need him?

B:Rad (Brad), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 11:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bring back Thatch and Bloom County! Trade FBOFW for Zippy! And how can you forget Stone Soup and Non Sequitur and Bizzaro that one w/ the gawky kid.

Gil Thorp has REALLY gone in the shitter. It's barely literate! (And no points for the Orel Hershiser guest appearance!)

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 13:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

I wasn't sure how others would respond to Stone Soup (which is like old-school FBOFW, if you think about it) and Non Sequitur (which is the poor man's The Far Side), but I did consider them.

Zippy is godawful. Sorry.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 14:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

I always wished there was a incident where Zippy gets stoned to death and his brains leak out of his bald head. Then, just maybe, it would be funny.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 14:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Are we talking about Zippy or Ziggy?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 14:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Does it matter?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 14:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

For some. Not necessarily for me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 15:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

The way I see it, Zippy = newer Peanuts. Same sort of Bizzaro World logic (including the, um, "sense of humor"), but w/out the baggage (that is, switching from the precendent set by previous Peanuts strips to some sort of strange zen-like state of contemplation). Zippy can do it BECAUSE that's been the strip's MO (as far as I can remember); Peanuts can't (at least, the way Schulz did it).

The same goes for Funky Winkerbean's transmogrification into a Melrose-Place-for-geeks cesspool. And regardless of FBOFW's past, turning into a hybrid of Mary Worth and Hi & Lois didn't do a damn thing for me. There's the "funny" page, and there's the "serious" page - STAY ON THE FUNNY PAGE DAMN IT.

Example of newer Peanuts (as seen on my bathroom wall): Lucy & Charlie on the pitchers mound. Lucy sez, "Here's the roster for the other team: Francis, Horatio, Ludwig, Chandler, Francisco, etc etc etc" - all these "unique" male names. Fourth panel - close-up of Charlie, wistful expression (akin to the "rapturous contemplation" look found in every damn FBOFW strip, but, y'know, Peanuts style), and he says, "No one's named Bill anymore." Um. Five cents, please?

Add to my list: Zits, Monty (PKA Robotman), Liberty Meadows, Soup to Nutz, and Rex Morgan MD (as long as Graham Nolan is the artiste).

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 15:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, Zits must be kept in the comics. Even though it's declined recently, for a while the writers had a great run going, where every strip would be insightful or funny, and often both.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 23:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

i like the one with dogsh and catssh!! there's no jokesh really, just twee little happenshtances.

speaking of twee i don't much like the jokes in "rose is rose" but the art is AMAZING.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 23:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Zippy (the pinhead, yes, not Ziggy) is just written by a guy who has drunk a whole case of Miller Lite that has gone bad and thinks that his insights are really deep. Pass.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 23:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.lambiek.net/artists/mcdonnell/mcdonnell2a.jpg

Aw yeah, Mutts is nice.

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 00:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Brr. Mutts always pissed me off, I freely admit. Not so much its tweeness as its...well, hard to say, but they were so relentlessly UNFUNNY, at least when I bothered to pay attention when everyone was saying how great it was. DB argues that that's the point, I realize, but I just saw these grim jokes that wouldn't pass for Highlights.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

ned are you one of those chuckleheads who always assume the comics needs to be funny?

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 01:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

You ask me, a Peanuts fan, this.

Let me specify -- when humor was attempted, it was of the cheese variety. When soppiness was attempted, it made me want to pound walls down. When prompted to appreciate how wossname knows his comic artists of the past, I reflect on how The Boondocks looks like the first honestly modern strip in years. Etc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 01:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Calvin & Hobbes is the greatest strip EVAH- I want to be Hobbes when I grow up. Actually, I love them so much that I swiped one of their comic strip lines for my server's 404 page; it's the geek way of showing appreciation for their humor.

lyra (lyra), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 01:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Peanuts
June 10, 1997

One panel. Linus, Charlie, and Snoopy are lounging in A Forest. Linus & Charlie lean against a tree, Snoopy against a rock.

Linus: "I hear you've decided no to go to summer camp after all..."

Charlie: "When you have a dog, you should stay home, and make your dog happy ... that's what you should do ... you should stay home..."

Snoopy: "Except for those obviously necessary short trips in to buy dog food..."

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 02:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Read this every week:

http://www.citypaper.com/archives/funny.html

As for y'all's Zippy bashing: Interweb mentalists! Interweb mentalists! Interweb mentalists!

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 07:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

I can't think of an American comic strip, other than Peanuts and Calvin & Hobbes, in the last several decades that I think is terrifically good - the '20s and '30s seemed to produce countless masterpieces, but the last 50 years has been very poor. I've not seen Mutts, but the fact that the image posted has a couple of Herriman references makes me interested.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 16:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

please explain this joke to me

http://www.deeptrancenow.com/images/marmaduke.jpg

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 17:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mark S might be the only person in the world who reads Marmaduke. (Doesn't he want to hypnotise the dog into doing something - ie waking up. Typing it out like that does make this explanation sound absurd....)

Martin S - I'd say that the first ten years or so of Johnny Hart's BC are v. underrated; Mort Walker sustained a pretty gd standard on 'Beetle Bailey' for many years; and I love the drawing style of Dik Browne on 'Hagar' and 'Hi and Lois' - crosshatching to rival Crumb's. These are just off the top of my head, but my point is that 'Peanuts' is obv. a work of genius, but it wasn't THAT much better than many of its peers in the post-war gag strip stakes, at least for the first ten or so years of its run...

Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 17:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

I once saw a 'Wizard of Id' original where new dialogue balloons had been pasted over an old strip - you got two gags for the price of one if you bought the artwork, but talk abt yr cynical recycling...

Ernie Bushmiller's Nancy is indeed a rare and beautiful thing. As is 'Barnaby' by Crockett Johnson, Bill Watterson's main source for 'Calvin and Hobbes'.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 17:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

What's not funny about this?

http://home.att.net/~k-doyle/Cats/mutts.jpg

besides anything, I mean. but it's so cute!

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 19:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.interestingideas.com/ii/pix/nanart3.gif

There. Now even Marmaduke seems hilarious.

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 19:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

god ernie bushmiller was a fucking genius.

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 19:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mark S, book is a book on dog training, owner wants to learn to train dog not to sleep on sofa (difficult thing to do- I've given up on mine) - and thinks hypnosis is the only way to do it b/c dog won't listen otherwise? That's just a guess.

Felicity, your cartoon is awesome.

lyra (lyra), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 19:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Some good examples there, especially from Andrew, and I like most of the strips that have been mentioned, but I still think there is a substantial gap in standard between those and Schulz or Watterson. A much bigger gap that that between Herriman and Segar pre-WWII and the next best - Crane, Sterrett, Caniff, Capp, Sickles et al. Some might put any of those five ahead of my top two - I don't think that is true of Walker and Bushmiller - who are my two favourites of those proposed, cartoons I have collections of.

Is that a Bushmiller Nancy? He died in '82, but he was only "supervising" the strip from about '78 or '79. Willie Johnson did the dailies and ex-Superman artist Al Plastino did the Sundays. I really like EB's late Nancy strips, when it was so stunningly codified that there were rumours he used rubber stamps to produce the strip.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 20:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Is that a Bushmiller Nancy?

good question, Martin. I thought so, although I can't read the date there. It's from here.

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 20:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

date = 1961?

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 20:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

I agree. Isn't it weird how the lettering in older comics has that strange old-fashioned look to it?

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 20:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

I thought it read 1981, Mark. You might be right though. I am not claiming that I can tell whether it's Bushmiller or not - I don't think his art style was hard to imitate.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 21:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Martin, have you read Boondocks?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 21:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/WS8DBtI.jpg

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 17 February 2024 01:02 (two months ago) link

they look legit - pasting on the header and copyright is totally standard practice, and the only other Peanuts original I've seen was also startlingly large.

bae (sic), Saturday, 17 February 2024 02:41 (two months ago) link

Also, of those I've seen, when gifting strips it was standard for Schulz to sign them like that.

Kim Kimberly, Saturday, 17 February 2024 02:59 (two months ago) link

four weeks pass...

so my sister and I have decided to sell these, they are prob gonna go for like $30K each. wild. my mom is in shock lol. we are using Heritage, thanks dinnerboat for that tip!

my mom with the winning quote: "do you even want something that valuable in your house?"

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 16 March 2024 17:22 (one month ago) link

Ha! Mommest thing I've heard in a while....

m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Saturday, 16 March 2024 17:23 (one month ago) link

wow those are amazing!!

c u (crüt), Sunday, 17 March 2024 04:04 (one month ago) link

That’s amazing

All for selling the expensives btw, let upkeep be somebody else’s problem

Premises, Premises (flamboyant goon tie included), Sunday, 17 March 2024 04:23 (one month ago) link

Awesome stuff, hope the fetch you that pretty penny!

H.P, Sunday, 17 March 2024 06:32 (one month ago) link

yer ma has a point! hope you guys make $$$$s

Good luck! And thanks for sharing — your story’s like a prime Antiques Roadshow episode.

dinnerboat, Sunday, 17 March 2024 22:34 (one month ago) link


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