Search and Destroy : New Order

xp oh dear. I really was at that gig, could have sworn Peter really was playing a bass some of the time...

Hooky played guitar on the second Revenge EP.

I think that Manchester gig I heard was 2 hours plus, last time I saw NO was '89 they probably played for just over an hour, did they ever start doing a set longer than 70 mins?

Yes.

Hook plays some bass when he isn't waving his arm about.

He might play a 6-string bass sometimes, but in the clips I've seen it's been bass and not guitar.

(He played guitar on "Sound of Music" and "Confusion" with New Order, though. Maybe more.)

I know Barney has played some bass, too. Hook does often gravitate to 6-string bass, though. "Blue Monday" is six-string, I believe.

Comprehensive interview with Stephen Hague on the recording of "True Faith" and "1963."

It was amazing," says Hague. "Gillian didn't run ideas by me as we went along. There just came a time when I said 'Tomorrow let's work on your keyboard parts,' and she said 'OK, great.' The next day, when it was finally her turn, she had all these fully formed ideas for both tracks. We just got sounds and she recorded them, all hand-played. It was so painless. Although she seemed to be quietly distracted in the back of the room each day, she had completely plotted out her parts for the songs. She's a real joy to work with.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar05/articles/classictracks.htm

Thanks for reminding me of that. That's one of the few in-detail behind the scenes accounts of New Order in the studio out there.

Woke up from dreaming this morning and the name "Power, Corruption and Pies" the first thought.

If life were actually a Hollywood movie I'd be looking into securing rental space for my new pie place by now but in reality I'm not a pie person.

From a recent Hook interview:

Joy Division writing credits were all shared equally on every track weren’t they?

Yeah, it was absolutely correct to do it that way. When we got to New Order it changed and even though Gillian [Gilbert] got a writing credit, I think it it’s fair to say that Bernard did 95 per cent of the keyboards, and I’ve seen him say that in interviews as well. She used to play what Bernard had written but we gave her a writing credit.

http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2012/12/peter-hook-bernard-and-i-could-reconcile-end-pair-duelling-pistols

re: gillian's contributions, sound on sound article about recording of true faith/1963 immediately contradicts this, does he have a clue or is this just his bitter opinion again

also fuck this fuckwit

He'd probably respond, "There's the other five percent."

ha

So I heard this track in OPN's Fact mix, and thought it was interpolating "Subculture," but it turns out it predates "Subculture" by two years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-jpd_TQr9o

Nice catch. Don't know that one, though the remix of "Collision" was on the I-Robots compilation that came out during the height of italo revival.

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Last night I saw the "Temptation of Victoria" film/vid for the first time thanks to the "Vintage" tv channel, think I might have voted it in the recent ballot, it's excellent

did anyone care at all about Lost Sirens? Listened once

Haha yeah me too even though I love Waiting for the Sirens Call. Not sure whether the songs are just weaker or whether I've moved on musically

I thought it was alright, but the fire is definitely out, really.

Is it worth it to see New Order live nowadays? They're playing in Brooklyn at the end of July with Holy Ghost.

Note I have never seen them live, ever, so don't have some awesome past show to compare it to.

They'll be great.

Go. It's great fun. I saw them for the first time 2 years ago - without Hooky - and enjoyed it very much.

Who was responsible for the "Brain mix" of "Blue Monday-95"? Discogs isn't helpful.

saw them a few months ago (sans hook), they were very good, much better than they were when I saw them with him 8 or 10 years ago.

What is that place they're playing in Brooklyn?

Brain mix was Hawtin or Andrea Parker.

All right thanks for the help, I'll probably get tickets!

Dan I thought it was the place near the water where they did 88 Boadrum and where the Jelly NYC shows moved to after the pool became a pool again. But that was "Williamsburg Waterfront" and this is "Williamsburg Park" so I'm not totally sure. In any case it's an outdoor, no-seats venue in that general area. I think that Bob Mould show was there last fall?

88 Boadrum was the park down by Dumbo.

There was that park where smorgasburg is, but this says its 14th and Kent.

nah 77 was in Dumbo. there was another one the next year in Williamsburg.

There was that park where smorgasburg is

yeah that was Williamsburg Waterfront I think. had to move it again to get farther away from the Kent Avenue waterfront high-rises I guess.

Oh I forgot there was more than one. I remember waiting on line forever and a certain ilxor saying fuck it and jumping the fence.

Regarding New Order, one of the great regrets of my life is not having downloaded the splendid Recycle Project series. I am happy to have Confusion at least.

dr joseph you can email me via the site and I'll straighten that out for you

Gillian just retweeted this and I almost shot coffee out of my nose: https://twitter.com/JD_Central/status/361744392983281664

Seeing them Wed. :D

Saw them last night for the first time, amazing show. They really worked the crowd up in spite of not moving much. I hadn't checked out setlists from recent shows so I was happily surprised by a lot of it - definitely some unexpected choices. The Hook substitute dude was pretty convincing but overplayed a little bit on some tracks.

the Brooklyn show last Wednesday was great. super fun.

poor Hooky, rejected by wee Boaby :-(

He can always join the Wake

For some reason I couldn't imagine Peter Hook fitting in with Primal Scream, both on a musical level and a personal level.

the Brooklyn show last Wednesday was great. super fun.

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Awesome! :D

i like their orgy cover

flagged that post so hard

hahaha

For some reason I couldn't imagine Peter Hook fitting in with Primal Scream, both on a musical level and a personal level.

He's just a fatter Mani

Barney's a trooper, tell you h'whut.

Aw, I love Barney so much. I saw the Fall when MES performed with a broken leg, and it was a pretty solid show. He sat behind a desk!

As I was leaving a hotel one of the doormen said “Break a leg” apparently that’s just what I have done ouch!

Ah, he's still got it...