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I wonder if the LV sports books are offering an o/u on the number of balks that will come of this in 2013.

If it were up to you we'd all be eating tea and strumpets. (WilliamC), Monday, 28 January 2013 21:59 (eleven years ago) link

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"Just reading through it, the main thing it does is eliminate the malicious collision," Posey told ESPN's "Baseball Tonight" on Tuesday morning. "If the catcher is not set up right on top of the plate, it doesn't allow the runner to run through him."

Posey said the tweak to the rule would not alter the way he prepares for the season as a catcher or as a baserunner.

"For the most part, I think it'll stay pretty much the same," Posey said. "We've never been taught to set up right on top of the plate; we've always been taught to give the runner a little bit of the plate.

"[As a baserunner], my mindset, when I'm coming around third, is to slide hard and late."

Texas Rangers catcher J.P. Arencibia said the new rule "takes away the malicious intent behind the play at the plate."

"It stops guys just going out of their way just to try to dislodge the baseball when [catchers] have the plate," Rangers manager Ron Washington said.

Hall of Famer George Brett, the Kansas City Royals' vice president of baseball operations, said he doesn't like the rule even though he understands that the objective is to reduce injuries.

"I'm not a big fan of it," Brett told ESPN.com. "Catchers are taught to put their foot right in front of home plate, and the plays are bang-bang. I like the collision.

"I don't sit around at home at night and think about it. This is the first time I've thought about it since two months ago when somebody told me, 'They can't run into catchers anymore.' I said, 'That sucks. I love that play.'"

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10512206/mlb-bans-home-collisions-1-exception

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 16:02 (ten years ago) link

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I'm sure you've heard, they've fixed this idiotic transfer thing

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/mlb-makes-1st-major-adjustment-of-replay-era-tweaks-transfer-rule-042514

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 April 2014 16:59 (nine years ago) link

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Rules quiz:

http://www.sbnation.com/2014/8/27/6075321/obscure-mlb-rules-quiz

I got 7/10.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 29 August 2014 07:02 (nine years ago) link

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In the Arizona Fall League this year:

http://deadspin.com/baseball-will-test-out-six-new-rules-to-speed-up-the-ga-1641283166

Hitters must keep at least one foot inside the batter's box at all times, barring exceptions like foul balls, wild pitches, or if the umpire grants him time out.

Pitchers must throw a pitch within 20 seconds of receiving the ball. Clocks posted in each dugout will count down the 20 seconds.

There will be a maximum break between innings of 2:05, with a clock keeping track. Hitters must be in the batter's box by 1:45. If the hitter's not ready, the umpire can call a strike. If the pitcher doesn't throw a pitch by 2:05, the umpire can call a ball.

Teams will have a maximum of 2:30 to change pitchers, with the clock starting as soon as the reliever enters the playing field.

Teams are limited to a maximum of three mound visits per game, not including pitching changes. This applies to trips to the mound by managers, coaches, and catchers.

Pitchers no longer have to deliver four balls for an intentional walk. The manager can simply signal to the umpire.

it's taco science, but it works like taco magic (WilliamC), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 22:33 (nine years ago) link

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MLB, MLBPA ADOPT SLIDE RULE ON DOUBLE PLAYS, PACE OF GAME CHANGES
Interference Rule Governing Double Play Slides Clarified;
Mound Visits, Break Times Adjusted in Pace of Game Program

mookieproof, Thursday, 25 February 2016 17:09 (eight years ago) link

“People watch the UFC. But they get mad when a guy breaks his ankle at second base because of a hard slide. I don't get it." -- Ian Kinsler, future Fox analyst

Andy K, Saturday, 27 February 2016 17:00 (eight years ago) link

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce_iquoVAAELtrm.jpg:large

mookieproof, Saturday, 2 April 2016 00:13 (eight years ago) link

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In the 9th last night vs the Mets, Jayson Werth was called out for interference making a late slide on a DP breakup attempt. I'm getting a little sick of Keith Hernandez and Ron Darling grousing about the new unmacho world (Keith sneered about "the geniuses" who effected the rule). Nats GM Rizzo also got into a shouting match with the umps after the game. Tough shit, dinosaurs.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/watch-ninth-inning-slide-rule-call-plays-a-big-part-in-mets-win-over-nats/

https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/nats-gm-ump-argue-over-call-on-werth-slide/188622326

helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 July 2016 16:57 (seven years ago) link

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oh go fuck yourselves

"Major League Baseball plans on testing a rule change in the lowest levels of the minor leagues this season that automatically would place a runner on second base at the start of extra innings, a distinct break from the game’s orthodoxy that nonetheless has wide-ranging support at the highest levels of the league, sources familiar with the plan told Yahoo Sports."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mlb-plans-to-test-new-extra-innings-rules-in-rookie-ball-with-joe-torres-approval-224914115.html

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 February 2017 12:24 (seven years ago) link

What in the blue hell is that all about.

Honestly, I would prefer ties in baseball to a dumb rule change like that.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 9 February 2017 13:55 (seven years ago) link

“It’s not fun to watch when you go through your whole pitching staff and wind up bringing a utility infielder in to pitch.

gotta disagree with you there, Joe.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:22 (seven years ago) link

i will give you each $1000 if this ever becomes a major league rule

mookieproof, Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:25 (seven years ago) link

twist: the free runner on second base is bartolo colon

Karl Malone, Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:28 (seven years ago) link

Anthony Castrovince @castrovince
This idea has uncovered quite a number of rookie ball purists.

mookieproof, Thursday, 9 February 2017 16:43 (seven years ago) link

first they came for rookie league, and i said nothing

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 February 2017 16:45 (seven years ago) link

gonna need one for this, because c'mon

https://twitter.com/AJCassavell/status/831916548369510400

mookieproof, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 18:42 (seven years ago) link

that's even worse than jordan walden

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 18:53 (seven years ago) link

no one ever calls traveling anymore

na (NA), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 18:58 (seven years ago) link

that is a fucking weird delivery.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 19:12 (seven years ago) link

Cater Crapps

Andy K, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 19:42 (seven years ago) link

@JeffPassan
Rob Manfred: There will not be substantive rules changes in 2017 due to "lack of cooperation from the MLBPA."

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 21:13 (seven years ago) link

@EricFisherSBJ
And Manfred then reveals a new chestnut in new labor deal: a unilateral ability by the league to impose rules changes as soon as next yr

@JeffPassan
Among the rules changes MLB could impose, per Manfred: a pitch clock, a smaller strike zone, fewer visits to the mound, auto-intentional BB.

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 21:14 (seven years ago) link

yay lack of cooperation

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 21:35 (seven years ago) link

As part of its initiative to improve pace-of-game play, Major League Baseball has approved a change to the intentional walk rule, going from the traditional four-pitch walk to a dugout signal, team and union sources told ESPN's Howard Bryant.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/18737245/mlb-union-agree-get-rid-traditional-intentional-walkwill-use-signal-dugout

Andy K, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 02:01 (seven years ago) link

this will save nearly 12 seconds per game

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 02:40 (seven years ago) link

i'm so pissed that the miggy cabrera intentional walk single will never happen again

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:04 (seven years ago) link

ugh

na (NA), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:13 (seven years ago) link

what about the Johnny Bench WORLD SERIES fake-IBB strikeout?

(1972)

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:15 (seven years ago) link

i was not alive but that sounds tremendous

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:18 (seven years ago) link

i know ive posted it before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TPCNP4_qXo

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:34 (seven years ago) link

that's bizarre that they did that with two strikes

k3vin k., Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:51 (seven years ago) link

i am in favor of pitch clocks but very much NOT in favor of not having to actually throw the pitches for an IBB wth

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 09:49 (seven years ago) link

As a way for all sides to save face (the commish wanted a strike zone change but ffs you can't spring that on the players on short notice in the middle of spring training), this IBB thing suits its purpose.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 11:58 (seven years ago) link

Grant Brisbee, like me, is concerned about the commish's "desperate urgency"

http://www.sbnation.com/2017/2/22/14693248/mlb-rule-changes-rob-manfred-intentional-walks-strike-zone

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link

Seven-pitch-maximum at-bats -- no "staying alive" with two-strike fouls. If you can't put the ball in play and/or reach base in seven pitches or less, sit down. Three strikes of any combination -- you're out. Quicker game, starters go a little deeper. Will never happen, obv.

Andy K, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 20:37 (seven years ago) link

offense would go way way down

k3vin k., Wednesday, 22 February 2017 20:56 (seven years ago) link

Tough.

Andy K, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 20:57 (seven years ago) link

^apostate

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 21:04 (seven years ago) link

@MyKBO
Pace of Play: Will MLB make guys sprint to first after getting hit? KBO rules state player must run to 1st before removing protective gear

mookieproof, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 22:07 (seven years ago) link

marchman concurs: http://deadspin.com/baseballs-new-intentional-walk-scheme-is-a-pointless-o-1792633670

my sense is that ownership is indeed frightened, in the long term, about the millennials and their tiny attention spans -- but that fright pales beside anything money-related. this seems more like manfred flexing for the union. if he can paint the union as backward and unhelpful on something relatively meaningless, maybe he can later bargain it away for something that saves owners money.

this rule change is pointless. if they really want to shorten games, enforce existing rules on leaving the batter's box, etc. allow fewer mound visits. what the hell do relievers need eight warmup pitches for? warm up in the bullpen, bitch.

(i figure we're gonna get universal DH before long, which won't shorten games either. i have made my peace with this.)

the money stuff is a constant, ongoing battle, though, and the players union has gotten rolled in the last several CBAs. i think this is mainly a feint as both sides prepare for 2021

mookieproof, Thursday, 23 February 2017 00:44 (seven years ago) link

there was a hypothetical on EW a few weeks ago re: how much it would cost for MLB to just make little league free for anyone who wants to play. you want young people to like this very difficult, often boring game u gotta start them young...

ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 23 February 2017 16:08 (seven years ago) link

also maybe stop saying it's boring

na (NA), Thursday, 23 February 2017 16:15 (seven years ago) link

good idea. I never would've gotten into baseball if I hadn't done little league for a few years.

frogbs, Thursday, 23 February 2017 16:30 (seven years ago) link

Seven-pitch-maximum at-bats -- no "staying alive" with two-strike fouls. If you can't put the ball in play and/or reach base in seven pitches or less, sit down. Three strikes of any combination -- you're out. Quicker game, starters go a little deeper. Will never happen, obv.

This is utter madness, the 10-pitch AB is the tensest and best thing in all of baseball

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 23 February 2017 17:29 (seven years ago) link

that’s not good

plenty of other sports have time limits on things like foul shots and snaps and there
is zero reason to ever present that information to the viewer

Tracer Hand, Friday, 24 February 2023 22:33 (one year ago) link

xpost

enforcing the rule IS good imo

Tracer Hand, Friday, 24 February 2023 22:33 (one year ago) link

Yeah I support the pitch clock but I don't want to be aware of it ever

, Friday, 24 February 2023 22:48 (one year ago) link

From the sound of it it barely even registered in the minors once the players got used to it

, Friday, 24 February 2023 22:49 (one year ago) link

i am pretty sure that, if any stadium includes the pitch clock indicator in the view of the tv cameras, they'll change that quickly

z_tbd, Friday, 24 February 2023 23:25 (one year ago) link

Just turned into MLB Network and they called someone out or third strike for not being ready. 6 -6 bottom of the ninth. Braves vs Red Sox.

Bee OK, Saturday, 25 February 2023 20:46 (one year ago) link

Wow

Bee OK, Saturday, 25 February 2023 20:46 (one year ago) link

Small sample but through 10 spring training games the average time of game is 2h 34m. That last time MLB games were faster for a season was 1978 (2h30m).

— Travis Sawchik (@Travis_Sawchik) February 25, 2023

mookieproof, Saturday, 25 February 2023 22:22 (one year ago) link

This is a person who has never watched ST baseball:

Do you happen to know what the average time was for spring training games? I have always felt like they were quicker than regular season games.

— Dan Schrage (@DSchrage) February 25, 2023

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 25 February 2023 22:55 (one year ago) link

Cal Conley does not get set in time and gets called for the strikeout and the game ends pic.twitter.com/rQ8KOv0Sa6

— Gaurav (@gvedak) February 25, 2023

Bee OK, Saturday, 25 February 2023 23:07 (one year ago) link

i mean...arguably just get in the box and be ready with 8 seconds to go imo

z_tbd, Saturday, 25 February 2023 23:49 (one year ago) link

well this sucks

https://www.mlb.com/news/luis-garcia-to-adjust-windup-due-to-2023-rule-changes

Tracer Hand, Monday, 27 February 2023 10:35 (one year ago) link

For those concerned that the pitch clock is so prominent in the background of at-bats during spring-training games: The plan in big league ballparks is for it to be out of view of the center-field camera. In other words: TV viewers will not see the physical clock during pitches.

— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) February 25, 2023

na (NA), Tuesday, 28 February 2023 17:31 (one year ago) link

cherry picked clips, of course, but

Landon Knack throwing an entire half inning vs. Pedro Báez throwing 1 pitch. pic.twitter.com/wHa2p6K7k8

— Rob Friedman (@PitchingNinja) February 27, 2023

z_tbd, Thursday, 2 March 2023 16:03 (one year ago) link

Yankees relief pitcher Wandy Peralta struck out a hitter in 20 seconds pic.twitter.com/VwEBzyXH99

— Jomboy Media (@JomboyMedia) March 2, 2023

na (NA), Friday, 3 March 2023 15:50 (one year ago) link

i love it! and you know what i think i’m going to love it in the post-season too. bring on the craziness.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 3 March 2023 16:57 (one year ago) link

yeah the pitch clock seems good so far. there are going to be some dumb controversial calls at crucial moments ("how can a playoff game end this way" etc) but the games i've watched seem a lot peppier for sure

na (NA), Friday, 3 March 2023 17:27 (one year ago) link

Max Scherzer, Pitch Clock Gamesmanship.

Long hold. Adams takes his only time out.

Then Max stays set so he can pitch as soon as Adams is ready. pic.twitter.com/3uj9ucDFEl

— Rob Friedman (@PitchingNinja) March 3, 2023

na (NA), Friday, 3 March 2023 18:48 (one year ago) link

Gausman and the balk rule (paywall maybe, not sure):

https://theathletic.com/4277023/2023/03/06/kevin-gausman-delivery-rule-change-balks/

"...it’s a problem for Gausman, because he’s currently starring in a not-so-major motion picture from MLB’s new 'Mess with Your Dreamworks' studios.

It’s a little video feature, shown by MLB to managers and media alike this spring, on now-illegal pitching deliveries. And it stars Gausman, along with Houston righty Luis Garcia, as toe-tappers or false-starters whose old delivery is now considered by MLB to be a balk."

clemenza, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 16:45 (one year ago) link

I’m watching a spring training game in which 9 runs have already scored, and we’re heading into the bottom of the 7th, and just passed 2 hours of game time. This shit appears to be working

Tracer Hand, Monday, 20 March 2023 19:07 (one year ago) link

That Scherzer clip above is so funny. What a maniac!

can i play with march madness? (PBKR), Monday, 20 March 2023 19:29 (one year ago) link

watching white sox/a’s spring training game and the chyron has the pitch clock but not the number of outs

na (NA), Friday, 24 March 2023 22:19 (one year ago) link

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The Tigers and Guardians played a doubleheader in four hours, 13 minutes.

Andy K, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 01:07 (one year ago) link

!!

Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 01:12 (one year ago) link

overkill, by a lot

mookieproof, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 04:56 (one year ago) link

Love baseball’s commitment to bad science

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 19 April 2023 11:03 (one year ago) link

i don’t understand why lowering the mound 6 inches is never on the cards

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 17:58 (one year ago) link

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good long article on ABS. this jumped out at me:

Until recently, the technology and application had been substandard -- including a previous version, used in the 2019 Arizona Fall League, that was laughably bad, with curveballs that clipped the bottom front of the zone hitting the plate and being called strikes. MLB scuttled that three-dimensional zone for 2D, upgraded to the Hawk-Eye system best known for its incredibly accurate line-calling in tennis and installed a dozen cameras calibrated to the fixed items on the field -- home plate and the chalked baselines -- that capture the flight of the ball at 330 frames per second.

does that mean the strike zone is no longer defined as a pentagonal solid??

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 25 May 2023 17:15 (ten months ago) link

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/how-have-the-new-rules-changed-the-game/

so far, mostly good, it seems.

...For the most part, I think MLB’s rule changes have been a success. The main observable change is tempo; games are lasting less time despite a similar amount of action. That’s a big change, and as measured by pitch violations, it hasn’t excessively affected any particular team or player. Instead, the game is just moving faster, which was the stated goal of the changes.

Changing the rules to increase stolen bases seems to have worked roughly as expected: Teams are running more frequently and with more success. Those steals aren’t making the game unrecognizable, though; we’re talking about an extra half a steal per game, give or take. I think there was reason to worry whether steals would become undefendable, but the evidence suggests that hasn’t happened. Catchers who control the running game are more valuable than in recent years, but that’s also hardly an unwelcome change. For the most part, I think that the extra steals leave the game looking like a slightly faster version of itself, just like the pitch timer changes.

On the downside, the new restrictions on infield shifts haven’t accomplished much of anything. Lefties are reaching base more frequently when they put the ball on the ground, but not at pre-shift rates. Defensive positioning is still taking hits away, particularly in the middle of the field. Righty batters still have a slight BABIP advantage on lefties thanks to infield positioning. If the league wants to fix that disparity, there will have to be stricter shift restrictions, probably centered around keeping the area behind second base empty.

If you were hoping for mostly the same baseball, congratulations: you’ve got it. If you were hoping for teams to start prioritizing speedy lefty singles hitters, or for batters to start trying to keep the ball on the ground to take advantage of the new defensive restrictions, that hasn’t panned out. Teams are scoring more this year, but that’s mostly unrelated to rules changes. I think that’s great; from my perspective, the league has threaded the needle by affecting how games look without putting their thumb on the scale of offensive and defensive balance.

z_tbd, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 15:47 (ten months ago) link

There was an observation on EW about how the BA points gained by LH batters are lost in the aggregate because teams ALSO cant shift against righties, which reenforces the belief that shifting righties doesn’t really work

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 16:24 (ten months ago) link

My favorite thing about the pitch clock is that there's no time to replay the pitch I just saw. Keep the camera on the action, such as it is.

The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Sunday, 11 June 2023 18:18 (ten months ago) link

They've gotten better at showing replays within the allotted time, gave them fits at the beginning of the year

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 11 June 2023 18:52 (ten months ago) link

Braves aren't showing replays on balls in play if they're just groundouts or flyouts. Arcia just went out to short center to make a nice over the shoulder catch, no replay. I'm really loving this -- it more closely matches the experience of being at the park.

The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Sunday, 11 June 2023 19:12 (ten months ago) link


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