"See, when I meant 'no glove no love'..."
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
I see he's in a major retrospective/info dump mood today
http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/03/22/flies-collecting-on-a-wound/
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 March 2013 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
In the summer of 2000, when I foolishly found myself wanting Al Gore to lose (Excelsior!), it was not a strong emotion. In the campaign, Gore was the advocate for a larger defense budget and Bush was all about being a “humble” nation. I figured there wasn’t much difference between them (and I still think Gore would have launched the Iraq War as well).
pretty sure sully becomes a rabid anti-war activist from day one in this alternate universe.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 22 March 2013 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
I started reading him regularly in 2002. Was he a pill or what. My memory is of he running a play by play of the troops reaching Baghdad while he called out pussies, wimps,.and traitors
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 March 2013 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ Gore invading Iraq
― his girlfriend was all 'ugh and he wears a solar backpack' (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 22 March 2013 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, that's just stupid. i can imagine gore doing some clinton-style bombings but the iraq war happened because cheney, rumsfeld, wolfowitz, et al got into power, not because it was some kind of inevitable black hole that any president would've been sucked into. pretty much any president who wasn't as stupid and arrogant as W would've held off on an actual invasion.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 22 March 2013 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
Saddam never tried to kill Gore's daddy
― his girlfriend was all 'ugh and he wears a solar backpack' (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 22 March 2013 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
I'm sure someone can find remarks on ILX in which I said Gore, going by what I knew of him as the hawk in the Clinton White House, might have invaded Iraq. To call for war when necessary doesn't mean an endorsement of all wars, of course.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 March 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
i think we def would have been at war in afghanistan had gore been president, beyond that it's hard to play carnac
― goole, Friday, 22 March 2013 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
i mean, assuming 9/11 still happened
we might be at war in pakistan or iran instead! or the gulf!
― goole, Friday, 22 March 2013 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
yeah Afghanistan was a foregone conclusion after 9/11. Iraq, not so much
― his girlfriend was all 'ugh and he wears a solar backpack' (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 22 March 2013 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
of course, had we been under a gore admin from 01 to 09 we probably would not be under an obama admin now. assuming the economy stayed on a similar track (no reason to think it wouldn't) we might be under a GWB44 at the moment
― goole, Friday, 22 March 2013 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
confounding variable is that the right would have done everything possible to destroy a president gore from 9/12 onward. if the 02 midterms went similarly, maybe they would succeed in impeaching him. a president lieberman! we might be in iraq no matter what...
― goole, Friday, 22 March 2013 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
Lieberman woulda gone for Iran imho
― his girlfriend was all 'ugh and he wears a solar backpack' (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 22 March 2013 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
who knows? butterfly effect, man. We'd probably be speaking American English, but with clicks instead of consonants. and frozen yogurt would've come back strong by now.
― No, not sinister (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 25 March 2013 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
This fucking guy.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 June 2013 20:57 (ten years ago) link
Most influential political writer of the generation?
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 18:20 (ten years ago) link
nah
― Mordy , Wednesday, 3 July 2013 18:22 (ten years ago) link
dipshittiest political writer of his generation for sure
― copter (waterface), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 18:22 (ten years ago) link
Look: I’m trying to rally some morale, but I’ve never seen a candidate this late in the game, so far ahead, just throw in the towel in the way Obama did last week – throw away almost every single advantage he had with voters and manage to enable his opponent to seem as if he cares about the middle class as much as Obama does. How do you erase that imprinted first image from public consciousness: a president incapable of making a single argument or even a halfway decent closing statement? And after Romney’s convincing Etch-A-Sketch, convincing because Obama was incapable of exposing it, Romney is now the centrist candidate, even as he is running to head up the most radical party in the modern era.
― copter (waterface), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 18:25 (ten years ago) link
His diatribe against Alec Baldwin the other day--one of the early ones; there've been a few now--was good.
http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/06/29/you-are-worthless-alec-baldwin/
(Don't go looking for anything via his archives, use search instead, unless you enjoy a barrage of subscription pop-ups.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 18:30 (ten years ago) link
NYT conservative columnist quotes libertarian writer to make unsupported broad point
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 18:30 (ten years ago) link
I think he deserves a lot of credit for being way out in front on this issue, and reading his 1989 New Republic essay, its surprising how prescient his thinking was. However, its very hard to assess how much the huge swing in national opinion on this was due to his personal influence. For one thing, he was making the "conservative" case for gay marriage, and from my reading of the political history, it hasn't been conservatives out in front on this issue, so I'm not sure how much impact his arguments had.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 19:48 (ten years ago) link
I think "conservative" was the sugar casing for the pill – a palliative. Especially in the nineties ("OK, well, gays CAN be like you and me")
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 20:03 (ten years ago) link
Sully goes to Burning Man. This'll be something.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 August 2013 19:31 (ten years ago) link
relevant as ever
― ⚓ (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 1 August 2013 20:14 (ten years ago) link
"Sometimes the point of a vacation is to vacate."
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 August 2013 20:21 (ten years ago) link
i'm sure he works very hard, but i mean, he needs to vacate from ptown?
― on fire after blowout in gulf (Hunt3r), Thursday, 1 August 2013 20:39 (ten years ago) link
By midnight, Andrew Sullivan, the 50-year-old political reporter and New York night life newbie, had already ripped off his white dress shirt in favor of the black tank top underneath and tugged at Mr. Maisani's elbow, asking him for some Jägermeister.
― mookieproof, Thursday, 19 September 2013 00:10 (ten years ago) link
this guy's obsession with Jagermeister over the years is the most repulsive thing about him.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 September 2013 00:15 (ten years ago) link
That's saying something! (Not disagreeing.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 September 2013 00:34 (ten years ago) link
Sipping Jager like a single malt! What the fuck?
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 September 2013 00:40 (ten years ago) link
'Oh myyyy...', etc.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 01:50 (ten years ago) link
From twink to bear … the cycle of gay
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 01:53 (ten years ago) link
Speaking of, I spent a desultory Sunday afternoon reading his fall 2001/early 2002 archives. From fink to bear...the cycle of fey.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 September 2013 01:54 (ten years ago) link
https://twitter.com/sullydish/status/497058322751975424
― ♪♫ teenage wasteman ♪♫ (goole), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 17:18 (nine years ago) link
nothing huh
― ♪♫ teenage wasteman ♪♫ (goole), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 19:11 (nine years ago) link
pundit TMI
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 19:15 (nine years ago) link
who among us hasn't wished for more back hair
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 19:18 (nine years ago) link
Bob Hoskins RIP
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 19:24 (nine years ago) link
i get tired of:-so many posts about religion, jesus, etc-south park references, fuck that show imo
i enjoy:-some of his posts about sexuality, usually when he collates others' writing on the subject, i don't always enjoy his own writing on it-his pot activism
― marcos, Monday, 17 November 2014 16:03 (nine years ago) link
He sures loves complaining about radical leftist feminists!
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 November 2014 16:05 (nine years ago) link
yea that's annoying. tbh i don't often read anything he actually writes apart from the pot activism stuff, i just go there because he pulls together a bunch of interesting stuff from the rest of the web
― marcos, Monday, 17 November 2014 16:11 (nine years ago) link
I got the impression that Saturdays were for sex and culture posts and Sundays were for faith & religion posts. Maybe I was just imagining it.
― Pict in a blanket (WilliamC), Monday, 17 November 2014 16:18 (nine years ago) link
oh could be, i just never pay attention
― marcos, Monday, 17 November 2014 16:21 (nine years ago) link
In 2008, from the Iowa primary onwards, I'd be checking his site every 15 minutes--it was like a clearing house for everything that was happening, and we were rooting for the same person. In 2012, I'd take a look every few days; the debate meltdown was funny. I hardly ever look at him anymore. I'd say it's about half because of loss of enthusiasm on my part, half that he lost me when he started what seemed like a complicated pay scheme.
― clemenza, Monday, 17 November 2014 16:27 (nine years ago) link
My minor pet peeve with the site (and I'm a subscriber) is that unless Sullivan is gone, none of the posts have bylines. He has a big staff of writers, editors and contributors, yet they're never created for the work they do, creating the misleading impression that he's authoring all that content. That seems like something he'd gripe over if another big media site did it.
Anyway, I probably won't resubscribe unless his 2016 election coverage is sensational. The site has seemed removed from the subjects that interest me lately.
― Evan R, Monday, 17 November 2014 16:33 (nine years ago) link
i kind of feel like a dick for doing this but one way to view the subscribers-only non-truncated posts is to right-click the post's title & "open in a new private window"
― marcos, Monday, 17 November 2014 16:35 (nine years ago) link
I wouldn't feel too guilty about that. For all the hubbub he makes about the importance of supporting independent journalism and all of that, so much of what that blog does is link to outside content and other sites' reporting and analysis. If anything I feel guilty that I'm supporting that aggregation over sites that do actual journalism.
― Evan R, Monday, 17 November 2014 16:41 (nine years ago) link
I understand outside sites benefit greatly from his links, too, so it's a symbiotic relationship, but still, one party is doing significantly more work than the other
― Evan R, Monday, 17 November 2014 16:43 (nine years ago) link