Fucking hell. Hansen once bothered with motd2?
I hope Murray goes ham for the rest of the season, spraying irreverence around like Tony Montana
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 07:28 (eleven years ago) link
Alan Hansen sneeringly told Murray on one occasion that he should leave the negative comments to the experts.
No great fan of Colin Murray, but this is total shite.
― ailsa, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 08:46 (eleven years ago) link
i used to be a fan of Hansen. but for years he's been dead to me, probably dead to himself.
― non-elitist melted poo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 08:50 (eleven years ago) link
I don't get the mentality though. Even if you took the view that people not getting on is a bad thing, contrary to the first rule of television aiui, you get rid of the upbeat guy?!
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 09:39 (eleven years ago) link
it's all about access. professionals probably have the closest links to those still within the game and the administrative bodies, plus a natural disinclination to frivolity and taking the piss. the old "if you weren't there you know nothing and your opinion is worthless" attitude is rife, which means that potato-brains like Shearer can still comfortably ignore the opinion of anybody who doesn't belong to the profession no matter how ill-formed and unexamined his own opinions might be. to be a top flight football reporter you either learn the appropriate deference or get another job.
i mean ailsa's right, Murray is a clown, but if the alternative is an increasingly blanded out Official Version then i'm on the side of the clowns tbh. i've noticed increasing antagonism between the pros and the punters on 606 and shows of its ilk lately. and okay, a lot of punters are ignorant idiots, but if you think playing professionally automatically elevates you above the realm of ignorant idiot then you probably haven't really listened to most of the shite ex-pros spout.
― you jelly like bitter lemon (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 09:50 (eleven years ago) link
it's the same response you get from some writers, musicians, artists towards critics, an unfounded dismissal of the right to criticise based on professional credentials that ignores the amount of bollocks spouted by both sides
― you jelly like bitter lemon (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 09:52 (eleven years ago) link
There's something really painful and cringeworthy about Murray's attempts to ingratiate himself though, I'll be glad when he's gone.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 09:53 (eleven years ago) link
Murray's terrible, but these smug morons need an irritant in amongst them more often
― you jelly like bitter lemon (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 09:55 (eleven years ago) link
btw, is this Chapman chap an "expert" like Shearer and his ilk? Last time I looked, he was no more a professional footballer than Colin Murray.
― ailsa, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 10:15 (eleven years ago) link
Oh, wait, I missed the bit where he wasn't allowed his own opinion. As you were.
― ailsa, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 10:16 (eleven years ago) link
I don't buy the access thing. It's the BBC ffs, what business can afford to ignore it? I wish it would flex its muscles a bit - risible that it allowed Phelan to front for Ferguson for so long.
Plus it's only football: (i) as long as it has the matches, the rest is just filler; and (ii) a bit of journalistic bias can only help, this isn't Israel/Palestine.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 10:17 (eleven years ago) link
Chapman's got a much stronger background in sports broadcasting though.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 10:18 (eleven years ago) link
Chapman knows his place is what i'm getting at.
Ismael i love your idealism but this is 2013, and sports journalism has always kinda been its own thing
― you jelly like bitter lemon (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 10:25 (eleven years ago) link
"if you weren't there you know nothing and your opinion is worthless" attitude is rife
So otm and my least favourite thing about Gordon Strachan - he has this thing where he goes on about how only "football people" would understand some nuance of the game - like just because millions of us that follow the game but weren't good enough to play it for a living means we don't have a clue about football.
― Stop Gerrying Me! (onimo), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 11:00 (eleven years ago) link
Given that rule would exclude Jose Mourinho I think we can safely say it's bollocks.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 11:12 (eleven years ago) link
I mean I can understand why the Strachans of this world would take that attitude as well, given the thousands of idiot cunts they must encounter every year telling them how to do their jobs.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 11:14 (eleven years ago) link
he had a rant once about angry phone-in punters with "cans of Kestrel and DEVIL DUGS"
― Stop Gerrying Me! (onimo), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 11:15 (eleven years ago) link
Classic: Stuart Hall
.... errrrrrrrr
― Designated Striver (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 11:55 (eleven years ago) link
Murray was always typical of the modern BBC whereby any presenter of anything is shunted into "having a go" at anything else, hopefully this puts them off the horrendous music sport crossover.
Chapman is really, really, boring.
― Hutton dressed as Lahm (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 12:08 (eleven years ago) link
Chapman's OK. Didn't mind Murray either.
― Designated Striver (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 12:10 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2266357/Match-Day-debate--needs-change-close-gap-Sky-Sports.html
Remember when Alan Hansen famously declared that 'you will win nothing with kids' back in August 1995 about Manchester United? Hansen may have been proven wrong but that is exactly the type of thought-provoking, headline grabbing conjecture it needs to regain.
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 12:39 (eleven years ago) link
Laurie Whitwell
He would probably think it the worst idea initially, but if Paul Scholes could be convinced how valued his opinion would prove I would switch on each week. He knows the game inside out, has played in all manner of situations, and in my eyes is the most talented player Englishman of his generation.
So his insight and knowledge would prove fascinating. He would be able to disect match action with precision and perhaps provide dressing room tidbits. Once he retires for good, of course.
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 12:45 (eleven years ago) link
best idea
valuable insights on picking up the kids, breaking shins with impunity etc
― you jelly like bitter lemon (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 12:46 (eleven years ago) link
if Sky replaced Redknapp with Carragher they'd be unstoppable
― Number None, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 12:59 (eleven years ago) link
I think maybe Carragher would be guilty in the same way Redknapp is about being unwilling to directly criticise people he has to meet on the reg - though I agree Redknapp needs to be replaced with someone. Carragher also says "ay" and "like" too much for my liking but maybe I'm just anti-Scouse.
― Stop Gerrying Me! (onimo), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 13:04 (eleven years ago) link
How did Gary Neville get the Sky Main Man gig? I don't recall him being particularly brilliant settee-fodder, if he even did it that much, so how did Sky know that this was the guy who'd make everything alright - was he pitching to them relentlessly, winning merits at presenting school, or what?
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 13:57 (eleven years ago) link
he only really did the settee stuff when he was a player. his shrewdness in seeing the opportunity for real insight and having the cojones to take it is as admirable as the quality of his punditry.
he oozes charisma too. scholes and giggs for motd2.
― Hutton dressed as Lahm (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
sky thought hey this will be lolz and then it backfired
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 14:11 (eleven years ago) link
carra's just going to be forthright bluster isnt he, he's got the insight of a dustbin lid
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 14:15 (eleven years ago) link
As far as bbc or itv coverage goes, murray's been several rungs above average.
Love to see hansen on rte, he'd have his lazy arse handed to him pronto. Richie Sadler already twice the analyst.
― standard disclaimer applies (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 14:17 (eleven years ago) link
GNev is excellent, and I wonder why BBC can't find one like him. Out of the gazillions of ex-pros and unemployed managers, there must be several who are knowledgeable and smart and interested, but somehow get overlooked in favour of wannabe personalities like Savage or Wright or boring bastards like Shearer and Owen.
btw, if yous all want Pat Nevin back, you can have him.
― ailsa, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 14:19 (eleven years ago) link
The bbc don't want anyone like gnev, they'd have to get rid of everyone else and that might piss someone off
Dixon, keown and a couple others have been good on motd2 when i catch it
― standard disclaimer applies (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 14:24 (eleven years ago) link
Dixon jumped to ITV.
― Stop Gerrying Me! (onimo), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 14:27 (eleven years ago) link
Dixon's away to ITV now, I think, but I v rarely watch football on ITV. Agree he's streets ahead of Shearer. Hansen's just boring now, reminds me of the bawbag in my office who convinces stupid people he's clever by sounding authoritative even when spouting utter pish.
xpost
― ailsa, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 14:28 (eleven years ago) link
by sounding authoritative even when spouting utter pish
Jeez, yes - I once saw Hansen on telly talking about music for some reason, and this was exactly how he approached it. Greatest act ever? BILLY JOEL.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 14:50 (eleven years ago) link
what are the musical equivalents of power, pace and ability
― moët plaudit (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 14:54 (eleven years ago) link
Ever see Hansen on the Frank Skinner show? Horrible viewing - he just sat there going "Say something funny! Come on we're all waiting!"
― Stop Gerrying Me! (onimo), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 15:04 (eleven years ago) link
That was pretty funny actually.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 15:07 (eleven years ago) link
I don't approve as such, but I just found this takedown of Murray and I'd be lying if I said I was entirely unamused
― Ismael Klata, Saturday, 2 February 2013 11:27 (eleven years ago) link
I know it's the Telegraph so I shouldn't have read the comments but...
I can hardly understand the accent which you can cut with a knife eg wheelves meaning Wolves, I presume etc. What Jonathan didn't pick up on was the lovely expression of "Gobbin Off" used by Murraysome weeks ago. How on Earth do people like Murray get these jobs? More P.C. junk, I suspect, it sure isn't talent.
Nice
― Designated Striver (Tom D.), Saturday, 2 February 2013 11:47 (eleven years ago) link
why the fuck did he go and see him? sweet jesus.
― Ballboy to Afghanistan (LocalGarda), Saturday, 2 February 2013 12:04 (eleven years ago) link
'big quick strong and he can play'
― every soulless meta poster is a ✰ (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Saturday, 2 February 2013 22:48 (eleven years ago) link
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― every soulless meta poster is a ✰ (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Saturday, 9 February 2013 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
Michael Owen
― Number None, Sunday, 17 February 2013 23:47 (eleven years ago) link
Jaben confusin me tbh
― birmingham six, guildford four, mumford & sons (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 February 2013 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
I'm enjoying this low-key, non-studio coverage actually
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 18 February 2013 08:35 (eleven years ago) link
I really liked this, it's nice to see a programme that doesn't look or sound like any other footy show.
I was disposing of recorded motds at the weekend, and realised I'm now forwarding through them at such a pace that it's barely worth it. I'm basically now winding through the punditry AND the games, slowing briefly for the goals that earned a 'woo, strike' on here.
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 18 February 2013 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
same as that tbh, if i miss rte i'll skip thru bbc
― lance armstrong will have been delighted (darraghmac), Monday, 18 February 2013 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
i notice with some regret that they've partly quelled the jobsworth who insisted on listing brazilians by their full name - Kenedy has now been retrospectively applied to all historical Nunes do Nascimento appearances
― r|t|c, Monday, 18 January 2016 09:26 (eight years ago) link