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so it is possible to get fired from MOTD. Not if you're an ex-pro though obviously

Fucking hell. Hansen once bothered with motd2?

I hope Murray goes ham for the rest of the season, spraying irreverence around like Tony Montana

Alan Hansen sneeringly told Murray on one occasion that he should leave the negative comments to the experts.

No great fan of Colin Murray, but this is total shite.

i used to be a fan of Hansen. but for years he's been dead to me, probably dead to himself.

I don't get the mentality though. Even if you took the view that people not getting on is a bad thing, contrary to the first rule of television aiui, you get rid of the upbeat guy?!

it's all about access. professionals probably have the closest links to those still within the game and the administrative bodies, plus a natural disinclination to frivolity and taking the piss. the old "if you weren't there you know nothing and your opinion is worthless" attitude is rife, which means that potato-brains like Shearer can still comfortably ignore the opinion of anybody who doesn't belong to the profession no matter how ill-formed and unexamined his own opinions might be. to be a top flight football reporter you either learn the appropriate deference or get another job.

i mean ailsa's right, Murray is a clown, but if the alternative is an increasingly blanded out Official Version then i'm on the side of the clowns tbh. i've noticed increasing antagonism between the pros and the punters on 606 and shows of its ilk lately. and okay, a lot of punters are ignorant idiots, but if you think playing professionally automatically elevates you above the realm of ignorant idiot then you probably haven't really listened to most of the shite ex-pros spout.

it's the same response you get from some writers, musicians, artists towards critics, an unfounded dismissal of the right to criticise based on professional credentials that ignores the amount of bollocks spouted by both sides

There's something really painful and cringeworthy about Murray's attempts to ingratiate himself though, I'll be glad when he's gone.

Murray's terrible, but these smug morons need an irritant in amongst them more often

btw, is this Chapman chap an "expert" like Shearer and his ilk? Last time I looked, he was no more a professional footballer than Colin Murray.

Oh, wait, I missed the bit where he wasn't allowed his own opinion. As you were.

I don't buy the access thing. It's the BBC ffs, what business can afford to ignore it? I wish it would flex its muscles a bit - risible that it allowed Phelan to front for Ferguson for so long.

Plus it's only football: (i) as long as it has the matches, the rest is just filler; and (ii) a bit of journalistic bias can only help, this isn't Israel/Palestine.

Chapman's got a much stronger background in sports broadcasting though.

Chapman knows his place is what i'm getting at.

Ismael i love your idealism but this is 2013, and sports journalism has always kinda been its own thing

"if you weren't there you know nothing and your opinion is worthless" attitude is rife

So otm and my least favourite thing about Gordon Strachan - he has this thing where he goes on about how only "football people" would understand some nuance of the game - like just because millions of us that follow the game but weren't good enough to play it for a living means we don't have a clue about football.

Given that rule would exclude Jose Mourinho I think we can safely say it's bollocks.

I mean I can understand why the Strachans of this world would take that attitude as well, given the thousands of idiot cunts they must encounter every year telling them how to do their jobs.

he had a rant once about angry phone-in punters with "cans of Kestrel and DEVIL DUGS"

Classic: Stuart Hall

.... errrrrrrrr

Murray was always typical of the modern BBC whereby any presenter of anything is shunted into "having a go" at anything else, hopefully this puts them off the horrendous music sport crossover.

Chapman is really, really, boring.

Chapman's OK. Didn't mind Murray either.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2266357/Match-Day-debate--needs-change-close-gap-Sky-Sports.html

Remember when Alan Hansen famously declared that 'you will win nothing with kids' back in August 1995 about Manchester United? Hansen may have been proven wrong but that is exactly the type of thought-provoking, headline grabbing conjecture it needs to regain.

Laurie Whitwell

He would probably think it the worst idea initially, but if Paul Scholes could be convinced how valued his opinion would prove I would switch on each week. He knows the game inside out, has played in all manner of situations, and in my eyes is the most talented player Englishman of his generation.

So his insight and knowledge would prove fascinating. He would be able to disect match action with precision and perhaps provide dressing room tidbits. Once he retires for good, of course.

best idea

valuable insights on picking up the kids, breaking shins with impunity etc

if Sky replaced Redknapp with Carragher they'd be unstoppable

I think maybe Carragher would be guilty in the same way Redknapp is about being unwilling to directly criticise people he has to meet on the reg - though I agree Redknapp needs to be replaced with someone. Carragher also says "ay" and "like" too much for my liking but maybe I'm just anti-Scouse.

How did Gary Neville get the Sky Main Man gig? I don't recall him being particularly brilliant settee-fodder, if he even did it that much, so how did Sky know that this was the guy who'd make everything alright - was he pitching to them relentlessly, winning merits at presenting school, or what?

he only really did the settee stuff when he was a player. his shrewdness in seeing the opportunity for real insight and having the cojones to take it is as admirable as the quality of his punditry.

He would probably think it the worst idea initially, but if Paul Scholes could be convinced how valued his opinion would prove I would switch on each week. He knows the game inside out, has played in all manner of situations, and in my eyes is the most talented player Englishman of his generation.

So his insight and knowledge would prove fascinating. He would be able to disect match action with precision and perhaps provide dressing room tidbits. Once he retires for good, of course.

he oozes charisma too. scholes and giggs for motd2.

sky thought hey this will be lolz and then it backfired

carra's just going to be forthright bluster isnt he, he's got the insight of a dustbin lid

As far as bbc or itv coverage goes, murray's been several rungs above average.

Love to see hansen on rte, he'd have his lazy arse handed to him pronto. Richie Sadler already twice the analyst.

GNev is excellent, and I wonder why BBC can't find one like him. Out of the gazillions of ex-pros and unemployed managers, there must be several who are knowledgeable and smart and interested, but somehow get overlooked in favour of wannabe personalities like Savage or Wright or boring bastards like Shearer and Owen.

btw, if yous all want Pat Nevin back, you can have him.

The bbc don't want anyone like gnev, they'd have to get rid of everyone else and that might piss someone off

Dixon, keown and a couple others have been good on motd2 when i catch it

Dixon jumped to ITV.

Dixon's away to ITV now, I think, but I v rarely watch football on ITV. Agree he's streets ahead of Shearer. Hansen's just boring now, reminds me of the bawbag in my office who convinces stupid people he's clever by sounding authoritative even when spouting utter pish.

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by sounding authoritative even when spouting utter pish

Jeez, yes - I once saw Hansen on telly talking about music for some reason, and this was exactly how he approached it. Greatest act ever? BILLY JOEL.

what are the musical equivalents of power, pace and ability

Ever see Hansen on the Frank Skinner show? Horrible viewing - he just sat there going "Say something funny! Come on we're all waiting!"

That was pretty funny actually.

I don't approve as such, but I just found this takedown of Murray and I'd be lying if I said I was entirely unamused

I know it's the Telegraph so I shouldn't have read the comments but...

I can hardly understand the accent which you can cut with a knife eg wheelves meaning Wolves, I presume etc. What Jonathan didn't pick up on was the lovely expression of "Gobbin Off" used by Murraysome weeks ago. How on Earth do people like Murray get these jobs? More P.C. junk, I suspect, it sure isn't talent.

Nice

why the fuck did he go and see him? sweet jesus.

'big quick strong and he can play'

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Jaben confusin me tbh

I'm enjoying this low-key, non-studio coverage actually

I really liked this, it's nice to see a programme that doesn't look or sound like any other footy show.

I was disposing of recorded motds at the weekend, and realised I'm now forwarding through them at such a pace that it's barely worth it. I'm basically now winding through the punditry AND the games, slowing briefly for the goals that earned a 'woo, strike' on here.

same as that tbh, if i miss rte i'll skip thru bbc