Finally Rich - Chief Keef

I clowned him for liking something that lacked originality, not that wasnt sufficiently hood

Haha granny perhaps you never hung out on the dance music threads when vahid was in full flight.

I "switched my enjoyment" from anti pop consortium when I realized that I was fetishizing some abstract and fictional notion of "progress" that was really about differentiating myself from my peers than it was actually really caring abt the music

if an artist is "street" or "LCD", it's gonna get repped for or at least talked about. if not, most likely won't be. it's more about the image you're trying to put out (I am a type of person who enjoys this type of rap) rather than the music itself.

but now you're differentiating yourself from people who think Wale is where lyricism is at

if not, most likely won't be.

this just isn't true at all

but now you're differentiating yourself from people who think Wale is where lyricism is at

rap threads have always been part of a larger conversation that takes place on rap blogs, in comment sections and on twitter

Omg im differentiating myself, super problematic

when middlebrow rap fandom moves onto Chief Keef type shit, will you ditch it to go and enjoy something else that doesn't have that stink on it?

when you're over age 22, yeah I think it's problematic but hey enjoy the never-ending quest

Yeah definitely, I would totallllly LOVE stalley if his fans werent nerds! *rolls eyes like slot machine*

there's a lot of 'clowning' on people, which afaik doesn't really happen w/discussions of other genres.

its almost like the culture that we're celebrating is rooted in cutting and the dozens and lyrical battles

ilm's rap taste (if there is such a thing) accepts plenty of middlebrow stuff, by the way. not all of it, but that characterization is backwards as hell.

i do honestly think the goon threads should be a little more open to the good backpacky stuff that's poppin right now (Homeboy Sandman, Serengeti, Oh No, Angel Haze) but its partially my fault for not really posting that stuff as often as I should

Even me dissing wale is a bit wrong... I wrote a positive review of his show for the tribune last year, and havr defended a portion of his catalog. The idea im rejecting isnt the artist as much as it is the misguided/rockist thinking that led me to value a flawed concept like "progressive" bc anti pop consortium made some "difficult" material

angel haze has her own thread that stays popping

Antipop Consortium is great, fuck your prog guilt

Lol. I still like "bubbles" that song was a banger

Again tho, what im trying to say its not a critique of the artist, its a critique of the reasoning behind it

*behind championing it

ffwd to 0:28 and tell me this shit doesnt sla

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00W9zT1rZs4

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that shit sla

Haha snap

when middlebrow rap fandom moves onto Chief Keef type shit, will you ditch it to go and enjoy something else that doesn't have that stink on it?

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, January 20, 2013 1:30 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

By the time middlebrow rap fandom moves onto Chief Keef type shit, Chief Keef type shit will be old hat and no longer cutting edge and someone else we've never heard of yet will be doing more exciting things that are more deserving of our attention.

its almost like the culture that we're celebrating is rooted in cutting and the dozens and lyrical battles

I realize this but it comes off as mean (w/o the playfulness/cleverness of the template) and rooted in self doubt. also, techno threads aren't filled w/minimalists posts, jazz threads aren't trade offs of improvs on a theme.

the jazz threads are cool, because it's pretty much a dead artform, no longer mainstream popular, def not among youth. threads are about the music w/lil else getting in the way (found it odd that there was so much "spiritual hat" jazz in the albums poll, but makes sense due to the taste backgrounds of a lot of posters. hiphop is too current, still too tied up coolness identity and affectations.

Techno threads on ILX terrible tho

Provocative post: its kind of weird that a white person like aero could assert that any white fans of a particular black artist must be racist for liking that artist

^^^ if I made this argument sincerely, it would be the equivalent of what aero is arguing here

Ok, reddit

thats not a reverse racism argument at all, thats what you mean

im talking about a white person deciding that a particular black person, a human being, embodies a stereotype

*if thats what you mean

I think the only person here who has made such an argument is Dan.

I think if you're honest about what art does it shouldn't be surprising that the street-level stuff is better -- i.e. art tries to make up the difference between our infinite, expansive feelings and finite, cramped realities. And ghetto/street life is pretty cramped and finite -- so the music has a bigger infinity to traverse so to speak, more to make up for, more emotional work to do in order to be redemptive.

Or you can think about it economically, in terms of skill development -- I remember Dave Van Ronk recounting a conversation where somebody was musing: why are so many famous blues guitarists blind black men from the South? I mean isn't that uncanny? perhaps suspect? indicative of an audience fetish?

Dave's rejoinder: if you were a blind black man from the South prior to WWII how else would you make a living?

Within a demographic, an economic decision will be made more often if there's a smaller opportunity cost. And, within a demographic, if there are a disproportionate number of say rappers, there will also be a disproportionate number of GOOD rappers!

provocative post: poor people make better music. They have to, because their lives are worse.

for 'poor' above feel free to sub in crazy, alienated, lonely, messianic, high, prone to fits -- anything really as long as you don't wanna feel complicit

very provocative

btw "projecting your preconceptions of x onto this stuff and pronouncing it good because it serves them back to you" is how *any* idea about *anything* is formed!

Good to remember in terms of human psychology sure but imo not a particularly effective approach to examining one's conscience re: enjoyment of street rap ---

I didn't sneak NWA & 2 Live Crew into my room by shoving them down the front of my pants to sit here and listen to this shit

http://www.vice.com/read/stories-you-wont-hear-while-shopping-for-music-online-day-one

There wasn’t a ton of music to organize, but for some reason all of the fuckheads loved pulling out 2 Live Crew’s As Nasty As They Wanna Be CDs from the section to rub on their JNCO jeans covered genitals and just lay the discs back on the top of the section like they’re returning a fucking cafeteria tray.

GD how many hundreds of posts are you going to spend on this board whining about the two times a decade ago that you got made fun of by a guy who stopped posting here 3 years ago? get the fuck over it.

http://media.tumblr.com/2e149d09a388e6e132d3caf8aa2bfe1a/tumblr_inline_mf7xx3GEDI1ry4qim.gif

Can we have a button for posting that gif

i mean Al was dismissing me the other day for even indicating i was softening on the joey badass thing

this is not what happened at all btw, i just called bullshit on your comparison between joey badass's nostalgic rap and frankie beverly's r&b that people became nostalgic for decades later

Wow, you people are the worst.

Al, I could see how you would just love for that to be the case for me but there's nothing for me to "get over" other than the fact that his strain of douchery is still alive here, as so excellently demonstrated by you

one of the few hiphop posters here apparently views him as GOAT, maybe that has more to do w/me not being able to "get over hit" than whatever killer zing he unleashed my way in '04

I miss the golden age of ethan and strongo hardmanning.

Hardman cheerleaders who never do hardmanning themselves are the lamest, though

Huh is that directed at me then

Ha no it was meant generally but it does actually apply there, lol

No this dates back to the Kogan days, the worst people weren't the attn-seeking cunts but the enablers who'd only post snide "lol"s and act like they weren't part of the problem

GD, work your ethan issues out elsewhere. he's on facebook, write him a long letter and let it all out. bringing him up here on a monthly basis, over and over and over, is pointless.