pshhhh compared to lil romeo in his prime dude sounds so OLD
― some dude, Friday, 18 January 2013 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
i wanna apologize for upthread when i said this album is on par with the Travis Porter LP. the Travis Porter album is way way better.
i fucking love the travis porter album and was shocked to see no-one else nominated it for the ilx poll. my #2 most listened to album of the year.
― tpp, Friday, 18 January 2013 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i left it out of my year-end list but if i did it over i'd put it in there
― some dude, Friday, 18 January 2013 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
I put it on mine as a last minute revision. It was disappointing but still pretty good.
― longneck, Friday, 18 January 2013 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
there's no "objectively bad" and there's no "i am completely able to self-analyze my enjoyment of this music and yep, there's no extra musical factors at play"
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, January 18, 2013 2:49 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no one is saying the latter part
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 18 January 2013 23:41 (eleven years ago) link
nice false dichotomy tho
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 18 January 2013 23:42 (eleven years ago) link
generally speaking I agree with the proposition that music appreciation is subjective but arguing that Chief Keef can rap is like saying D - F# - A constitutes a C major scale. OTM that we need Geir in here because he is a better mc than Chief Keef
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, January 18, 2013 2:53 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
depends on what ur looking for in a rapper obv
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 19 January 2013 00:11 (eleven years ago) link
dan has strong opinions and voices them strongly and that's cool w/ me.
he is also v. intelligent so i kind of assume that he realizes that it is possible some people actually like his music and aren't just indulging in some kind of fetishization of an imagined "authenticity" or something. i think he just hates the music so much he has a hard time imagining this.
minstrel show analogy is kind of off and anyway a lot of minstrel music and humor is great. but that's another thread.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 19 January 2013 00:55 (eleven years ago) link
this isn't quite true but i guess i just like of love sosa as a kind of ambient track with some compelling wordless vocals or something.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 19 January 2013 00:56 (eleven years ago) link
think of
add dichotomy to the list of terms you've missed used here
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 19 January 2013 01:57 (eleven years ago) link
lol
what are you saying with "there must be extra-musical reasons we enjoy it, which he's wrong about, but w/e" then?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 19 January 2013 01:58 (eleven years ago) link
I like that you laughed at your own zing.
― Regional Tug (irrational), Saturday, 19 January 2013 04:43 (eleven years ago) link
So basically if I'm looking for the inability to rap in a rapper, fulfilling that is enough to qualify a rapper as good.
― tsrobodo, Saturday, 19 January 2013 04:51 (eleven years ago) link
GD was laughing at the irony of his own failure to properly type the word "misused," clearly
― the legend of bigger yansh (some dude), Saturday, 19 January 2013 04:54 (eleven years ago) link
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, January 19, 2013 1:58 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
He meant that dan implies that deej couldn't like it without extra-musical factors (because musically it's so "objectively" bad), which he disagrees with.
He's not saying that there are no extra-musical factors at all.
I agree with you that no-one can really say confidently "I am completely able to self-analyze my enjoyment of this music and yep, there's no extra musical factors at play", but I think one can say confidently "I like this music as music, whether or not extra-musical factors are also at play".
― Tim F, Saturday, 19 January 2013 04:57 (eleven years ago) link
He's the rap game Mies van der Rohe: no ornamentation, no gargoyles, no fancy parapets.
― to each his own but (Eazy), Saturday, 19 January 2013 05:38 (eleven years ago) link
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, January 18, 2013 7:57 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
eh i just meant that you were assuming that if i disagreed w/ dan than i must mean the opposite of dan which is the 'false dichotomy'
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 19 January 2013 06:03 (eleven years ago) link
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, January 18, 2013 6:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it doesnt seem very productive.
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 19 January 2013 06:04 (eleven years ago) link
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, January 18, 2013 6:56 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
if ur not listening to the words imo u kinda 'miss the point'
noz made a good argument for this applying to asap but i think the words are more central to keef's appeal despite the opinions of h8rs
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 19 January 2013 06:05 (eleven years ago) link
def. a good argument for ASAP. I think even for haters ck would be a lot harder to background.
― Tim F, Saturday, 19 January 2013 06:08 (eleven years ago) link
every ace hood / young chop song is proof that keef is not a beats-only phenomenon
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 19 January 2013 07:10 (eleven years ago) link
seriously that ace hood record is teh worst
i didn't say he was a beats-only phenomenon, just that what's compelling about his rapping has more to do with the sound of the words than their sense.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 19 January 2013 07:23 (eleven years ago) link
Yah I disagree...the beats-only thing is unrelated
I think "i gets lots of commas / I can fuck your mama" is important to liking this for me personally
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 19 January 2013 11:39 (eleven years ago) link
Finally MILF
― the legend of bigger yansh (some dude), Saturday, 19 January 2013 11:49 (eleven years ago) link
"i gets lots of commas / I can fuck your mama”
I love how you cling to this one semi-clever keef line like an orphan standing in the rain, clutching a tattered photograph of his mum while looking into the department store window display
― fieri inna babylon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 19 January 2013 15:15 (eleven years ago) link
it barely even works, even a billionaire only has 3 commas
― the legend of bigger yansh (some dude), Saturday, 19 January 2013 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
maybe he writes really long sentences
― President Keyes, Saturday, 19 January 2013 16:55 (eleven years ago) link
i got lots of commas / david foster wallace
― the legend of bigger yansh (some dude), Saturday, 19 January 2013 16:57 (eleven years ago) link
― fieri inna babylon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, January 19, 2013 9:15 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
jesus christ dudes i cant even rely on an example more than once w/out you guys coming up w/ some reason that i'm like flailing to justify liking something that OBVIOUSLY MUST BE HORRIBLE-- no, the entire verse is good. its the fucking dozens put to song & is no worse than 1000s of tracks w/in that style. Obviously how he delivers them--flow, melody, cadence--is key to why lyric that look plain on paper are good. but 'god yall some broke boys' is a great line too.
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 19 January 2013 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
sends chills down my spine it does
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 19 January 2013 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
who said anything about chills down the spine? im just talking about whether ppl care about the lyrics, as in, the lyrics being a part of what makes the song 'work'. 'low end or no end,' 'now that boy slumped over, they do it all for sosa,' it's all of a piece, idk why someone would get something out of this if they're pretending the lyrics arent there
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 19 January 2013 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
should be 'o end or no end,' lol, he's not from the low end
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 19 January 2013 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
then it's not a great line, it's a line. no need to oversell it. you think he's effective, cool, wish I did.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 19 January 2013 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
it is a funny line its just not going to stand up to 100 posts of scrutiny by ppl already dead set against it
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 19 January 2013 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
i don't know why accusing other people of being predisposed to disliking Chief Keef is this self-evident and important thing to harp on if saying you're predisposed to liking Chief Keef isn't also fair game
― the legend of bigger yansh (some dude), Saturday, 19 January 2013 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
no doubt. it's just...that's one of his best lines? cleverness, flow, insight, charisma...he just seems average at best. the beats are generic. i'm trying to see what you see in him and I just don't. oh well.xp
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 19 January 2013 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, January 19, 2013 12:05 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It's also funny that ppl who say he's a bad lyricist are rockists, clinging to old, outdated definitions of hip hop, but the ppl who appreciate it strictly on sonic/rhythmic/vibe terms and enjoy it also aren't enjoying it in the ”right way”
― fieri inna babylon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 19 January 2013 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
i don't wanna get into the minstrelsy thing either, but I think there's an interesting double standard wrt to the pass given to rappers like Keef and the reaction same people have towards indie/backpacker/"conscious" rappers
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 19 January 2013 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
― fieri inna babylon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, January 19, 2013 2:26 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
http://scienceblogs.com/thoughtfulanimal/wp-content/blogs.dir/351/files/2012/04/i-534ec9e4fe422e37f2c7b9b58810e809-operation%20game.jpg
― the legend of bigger yansh (some dude), Saturday, 19 January 2013 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
i can't disagree w/ people who like the song?
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 19 January 2013 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
this isnt about 'taking sides'
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 19 January 2013 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
i got lots of commas / I rap like Tuomas
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 19 January 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
Obviously I lolled
― Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Saturday, 19 January 2013 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
I can fuck Tuomas / not braggin just honest
― the legend of bigger yansh (some dude), Saturday, 19 January 2013 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
Finnishly Rich
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 19 January 2013 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, January 19, 2013 1:31 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it's only "interesting" if you start from the assumption that there's nothing else in CK's music to sustain interest!
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 19 January 2013 22:48 (eleven years ago) link
i mean jeez people is it possible to just agree to disagree about his music? do you have to insinuate that we get our jollies on keef's "realness" as a chicago gang banger or something?
like i said i had no idea of the backstory before i heard (some of) the music. i just found it weirdly intense and compelling sonically. if you think i'm a chump b/c the music is bad, then whatever. that's OK. but this need to search for *other* reasons, and thus to invalidate those who disagree with you, is... i dunno it just seems like waste of thought, honestly.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 19 January 2013 22:51 (eleven years ago) link