Finally Rich - Chief Keef

the sentiment's not rare sure but that phrase just rings in my head as a total nadir of the whole phenomenon

i dont get why keef does all the shit other rappers do but for him it sets everyone against him

"OMG a rapper called them broke, how mean!"

no one calls slick rick an asshole for stunting in gold necklaces like wtf

maybe it's the vampire accent that makes it seem especially villainous

lol deej slick rick is an amazing storyteller. people only say "who gives a shit about (how broke your rivals are, how much product you moved, how many people you shot)" when the person telling the story seems incapable of telling the story in an interesting or compelling or even mildly diverting way. you know, like chief keef.

can we nip this Slick Rick digression in the bud right now, I don't need a mental image of Chief Keef hollering his way through three bars of "Children's Story"

lol deej slick rick is an amazing storyteller. people only say "who gives a shit about (how broke your rivals are, how much product you moved, how many people you shot)" when the person telling the story seems incapable of telling the story in an interesting or compelling or even mildly diverting way. you know, like chief keef.

― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, January 18, 2013 11:45 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so once again the argument falls to ... you don't like the music. nothing to do w/ his perceived moral failings

OMG MOP are so mean for sticking people up!

GAWD Y'ALL SOME BLOKE BOYS

(please carry on, gentlemen)

deej why do you think people have a different reaction to this than Slick Rick/MOP/whomever? apart from "a priori" prejudice

so once again the argument falls to ... you don't like the music.

I am not sure anyone is trying to make an argument deeper than "this music is as close to objectively terrible as you can get" so I don't think that is as much of an "GOTCHA" summation as you are trying to make it out to be

'objectively terrible' is a bullshit phrase dan, come on

I don't like the music, but I don't like him either. I find nothing compelling or likeable about him. Slick Rick otoh...

haha THAT'S your takeaway from that post? are you fucking kidding me

do you care if he taunts broke enemies

is it that offensive that DJP, some dude, and aero don't like this dude? I mean I completely disagree w/ them on Rick Ross, but based on what I've heard of Keef, I agree. Yeah, they might be arguing a little 'harshly' about it, but I know of one person itt who does that regularly.

making an argument that your POV is 'close to objectively true' is fucking stupid, sorry

it's also trolling, but let's continue this

don't feel that they're trolling at all, unless "not liking" something constitutes trolling. This isn't a Chief Keef "best track" poll or something where it is geared towards fans only.

n/m I see you were replying to deej

they are like a good cop bad cop tag-team of earnestness->disengenuousness arguing on bad faith

ha

I really don't think I'm the fucking stupid one here, considering that everyone on this board believes that opinions are subjective and therefore "objectively terrible" is a unicorn. I wrote a strongly held subjective opinion and you are reacting to it as if an objective one could actually exist, which makes me think that one of the reasons you find Chief Keef so enthralling is a total inability to deduce nuance.

is it that offensive that DJP, some dude, and aero don't like this dude? I mean I completely disagree w/ them on Rick Ross, but based on what I've heard of Keef, I agree. Yeah, they might be arguing a little 'harshly' about it, but I know of one person itt who does that regularly.

― NINO CARTER, Friday, January 18, 2013 1:22 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'm not trying to convince them to like him, as i've said before (well, i think Some Dude should b/c its in the same wheelhouse he's comfortable with -- that is why i find his concern abt 'broke boys' kind of weird)

but they were asking me

at any rate, I thought you'd be madder about the arguments where I was obliquely accusing the Chief Keef boosters of wallowing in a modern minstrel show but I guess that's not worth getting mad about, just when someone uses the word "objective"

actually I take that back; there was stuff I recognize as skill and talent going on in minstrel shows

i'm not gonna pretend there's some huge philosophical gulf between the Keef line and 2 Chainz saying "me and broke broke we don't get along" in a song i love, i'm just saying i despise "Love Sosa" as a piece of music so that line is kind of the icing on the cake made of shit

the icing on the cake made of shit

awesome

i like a lot of aggressive regional thug type rap, and i hate a lot of it, just like i love and hate lots of any genre of music that interests me. comes down to execution, and in this case i think the execution is clumsy and dull.

but in general soulja boy/max b mumblecore rap has never been my bag

at any rate, I thought you'd be madder about the arguments where I was obliquely accusing the Chief Keef boosters of wallowing in a modern minstrel show but I guess that's not worth getting mad about, just when someone uses the word "objective"

― Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Friday, January 18, 2013 1:31 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that argument presumes that we dont wade thru 100s & 100s of 'regional thug' videos regularly & find plenty of them horrible/boring despite factoring in every possible thug cliche. obviously, there's something here that some of us like outside of that. so whether or not there's a minstel show aspect to his appeal (obv there is w/ some fans as ever) is beside the pt because he's doing something interesting that say ace hood is not

To call something 'objectively bad' and then when called on it say that it's your subjective opinion that its objectively bad kinda deprives the word 'objective' of whatever meaning it might of had. If you don't like it just say you don't like it, why make the greater claim of it being bad, and then backtrack into 'when I say objectively bad, what I am saying is just my opinion but strongly worded'

you literally can't read

That's probably true.

Did anyone else have difficulty interpreting what I meant with that post? I will admit to trying to be as compressed as possible with the sentiment I was attempting to convey but I didn't think it was a deliberately misleading statement

my other option was "asymptotically approaching 'objectively bad'" but I figured that wouldn't fly

can we get Hongro in here

I think my issue with that (and I'm willing to grant it could just be my lack of conceptual background or understanding) is that its just another way of saying it's objectively bad. I have a hard time wrapping my head around what it would be for something to get close to objectovely bad if the concept is one that is something that is as conceptually problematic (or unicorny) as it is. But this is digression, I'll just assume I misuderstood.

DJ - you must realise that in the context of a disagreement what you said was bound to be misinterpreted.

are you talking to djdee or djpee

irrational is completely otm, dan just wants to emphatically say he hates this & thinks that it's so bad that there must be extra-musical reasons we enjoy it, which he's wrong about, but w/e

if he wants to continue spending his time weighing in by mentioning that he doesnt like it 500 diff ways thats on him

Just the other day I was called "cancer" for saying I liked Finally Rich and not laughing at Keef getting arrested. True story.

^^^ there are a lot of assjacks like this, and they should all die in a fire. regardless of what you think of a dude's mistake, I get sick of these statements. IE the dude on my friend's FB who said "nobody should care about this guy" when Rick Ross was having seizures.

"mistake" = "music"

"irrational is completely otm" is a pretty wonderful phrase, gotta say

there must be extra-musical reasons we enjoy it, which he's wrong about, but w/e

there's no "objectively bad" and there's no "i am completely able to self-analyze my enjoyment of this music and yep, there's no extra musical factors at play"

generally speaking I agree with the proposition that music appreciation is subjective but arguing that Chief Keef can rap is like saying D - F# - A constitutes a C major scale. OTM that we need Geir in here because he is a better mc than Chief Keef

I think we can all agree on one thing ... chief keef, objectively, is ... young