yes
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/9edQEzp7zGA/hqdefault.jpg
Conspiracy A Go-Go
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
It's hard to tell if Linklater is amused by conspiracy theorists or genuinely impressed by them
― Moodles, Thursday, 17 January 2013 01:55 (eleven years ago) link
As far as I recall, the masons were a very large and important organization in the period of the anti-masonic party. Opposition to them as a unifying issue obv. cloaked a whole range of constituencies and issues, but an understanding of their importance in that period (and more generally what they represented and were tied to vis a vis the political landscape) was hardly a conspiracy theory.
― s.clover, Thursday, 17 January 2013 02:22 (eleven years ago) link
i'm also a bit worried about connecting random-ass conspiracy theories to father coughlin who was basically a foam-flecked anti-semite and eventual fascist.
― s.clover, Thursday, 17 January 2013 02:24 (eleven years ago) link
re: Linklater, and I guess a grain of salt because this is Jones's take on things, but...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/120706moviedirector.htm"Linklater said he had handed out Alex Jones DVD's on set which carried claims that 9/11 was perpetrated by the US government to erect a police state to Bruce Willis, one of the stars of Linklater's upcoming Fast Food Nation.
"He said it put him in such a head space that he will be quiet on issues of national policy."
Linklater said Willis had told him in an e mail that the videos had changed his entire political paradigm.
"Bruce is a pretty thinking radical kind of guy," said Linklater."
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 17 January 2013 02:26 (eleven years ago) link
i read that as the goverment erecting a police state in honor of bruce willis. which i gotta admit is awesome and totally cool with me.
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 January 2013 02:55 (eleven years ago) link
hofstader devotes several paragraphs to the anti-masonic movement in 'paranoid style.' i think its a mistake to think of anti-masonry as 'acceptable' in a way that the conspiracies were talking about arent -- opposition to the fed as a unifying issue obv. cloaks a whole range of constituencies and issues, but an understanding of its importance now (and more generally what it represents and is tied to vis a vis the political landscape) is hardly a conspiracy theory
― max, Thursday, 17 January 2013 03:56 (eleven years ago) link
exactly. end the fed ppl might be wrong about a lot of things, but they're not necessarily conspiracy theorists. ditto a probably the vast majority of the anti-masonic party.
also bear in mind that he masons were an organization that were known to have lots of important members, and lots of things that were deliberately esoteric and secret. so that's sort of different than either imaginary secret organizations or very well known public organizations that don't make a big deal about having special secrets only known to the initiated.
masonry also had a huge role and well known role in french politics in particular, but european politics in general over this period.
maybe we could try to draw some analogy between anti-masons and e.g. john birchers, but remember that the birchers (wrongly) thought eisenhower was a communist agent, but he anti-masons (correctly) recognized that jackson was a mason.
― s.clover, Thursday, 17 January 2013 06:03 (eleven years ago) link
jackie mason, think about it
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 17 January 2013 07:23 (eleven years ago) link
As a secret society, Masonry was considered to be a standing conspiracy against republican government. It was held to be particularly liable to treason—for example, Aaron Burr’s famous conspiracy was alleged to have been conducted by Masons. Masonry was accused of constituting a separate system of loyalty, a separate imperium within the framework of federal and state governments, which was inconsistent with loyalty to them. Quite plausibly it was argued that the Masons had set up a jurisdiction of their own, with their own obligations and punishments, liable to enforcement even by the penalty of death. So basic was the conflict felt to be between secrecy and democracy that other, more innocent societies such as Phi Beta Kappa came under attack. Since Masons were pledged to come to each other’s aid under circumstances of distress, and to extend fraternal indulgence at all times, is was held that the order nullified the enforcement of regular law. Masonic constables, sheriffs, juries, and judges must all be in league with Masonic criminals and fugitives. The press was believed to have been so “muzzled” by Masonic editors and proprietors that news of Masonic malfeasance could be suppressed. At a moment when almost every alleged citadel of privilege in America was under democratic assault, Masonry was attacked as a fraternity of the privileged, closing business opportunities and nearly monopolizing political offices.Certain elements of truth and reality there may have been in these views of Masonry. What must be emphasized here, however, is the apocalyptic and absolutistic framework in which this hostility was commonly expressed. Anti-Masons were not content simply to say that secret societies were rather a bad idea. The author of the standard exposition of anti-Masonry declared that Freemasonry was “not only the most abominable but also the most dangerous institution that ever was imposed on man.…It may truly be said to be hell’s master piece.”
Since Masons were pledged to come to each other’s aid under circumstances of distress, and to extend fraternal indulgence at all times, is was held that the order nullified the enforcement of regular law. Masonic constables, sheriffs, juries, and judges must all be in league with Masonic criminals and fugitives. The press was believed to have been so “muzzled” by Masonic editors and proprietors that news of Masonic malfeasance could be suppressed. At a moment when almost every alleged citadel of privilege in America was under democratic assault, Masonry was attacked as a fraternity of the privileged, closing business opportunities and nearly monopolizing political offices.
Certain elements of truth and reality there may have been in these views of Masonry. What must be emphasized here, however, is the apocalyptic and absolutistic framework in which this hostility was commonly expressed. Anti-Masons were not content simply to say that secret societies were rather a bad idea. The author of the standard exposition of anti-Masonry declared that Freemasonry was “not only the most abominable but also the most dangerous institution that ever was imposed on man.…It may truly be said to be hell’s master piece.”
that sounds p nuts to me!
& id lump audit-the-fed/end-the-fed types in with conspiracy theorists. at least, id argue that the line separating yr standard ron paul types from yr william cooper amero types isnt very thick, and there are a lot of people who straddle it. or maybe more to the point they cross it -- for a lot of people "belief," especially of this kind, is circumstantial. (and to your point re: anti-masons, sometimes belief in, say, 9/11 "truth" or obamas kenyan citizenship is a kind of tribal affiliation or stand-in for a series of political belief.) posting a video to facebook, or watching it, isnt necessarily evidence of an abiding belief in its content.
― max, Thursday, 17 January 2013 12:46 (eleven years ago) link
something something mumble hofstader milquetoast liberal elitist & what did he say about the populists even, can he tell the difference between incendiary rhetoric and actual held beliefs, etc. mumble mumble brushes, grain of history, presentism blah.
I dunno why I'm hung up on the anti-masons. I suppose because there's a prejudice that if you're interested in the role of masons in history (in the periods where they *did* have a real role) you're A) likely to get tarred a conspiracy nut if you're not careful, and B) going to run into lots of history books that are tarred by various conspiracy nut type things, but C) if you don't spend a fair amount of time understanding the masons and other fraternal organizations of the time then you really don't understand society at the time and D) the masons were (and i guess are much much less so now) a pretty weird strange bunch (but then everything 150 + years ago was actually really weird) and finally E) so an approach that looks at anti-masonry as something other than actually about masons really helps to just airbrush out all the weirdness and dissonance of history, makes it much less actually historic, and takes all the fun out of it too.
but on the other hand i totally agree that conspiracy theories and their widespread dissemination aren't really a modern/internet-era phenomenon. if anything, w/o the equiv of snopes.com (or even large-scale 20th c publishing prior), much more nonsense and rumor and suchforth was disseminated as fact. (Which is another element of the anti-masons -- you have to compare the weirdness of their beliefs with the weirdness of everyone else's beliefs at the time, not with what we would typically consider the deep un-weirdness of our own beliefs today).
― s.clover, Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:31 (eleven years ago) link
Will no one help the widow's son?
― mh, Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
basically fuck you if you don't dig The Magic Flute
― non-elitist melted poo (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:37 (eleven years ago) link
I think 'end the fed' people are probably a hetereogenous group, some of whom are legit conspiracy theorists, some of whom probably just learned what the fed was the other day and think that its a subject on the same level as 'free bradley manning' or something.
― iatee, Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
It's a lot easier to make "end the fed" sound compelling because monetary policy is somewhat difficult to understand, as is the structure of the fed. E.g. it's easy to twist things to make it sound like THE BANKSTERS CONTROL THE FED
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:44 (eleven years ago) link
tbqh that's hardly a stretch.
― s.clover, Thursday, 17 January 2013 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
― scott seward, Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:55 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
they did this iirc, it was called The Siege
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 17 January 2013 16:13 (eleven years ago) link
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/428243_590285674318546_281164803_n.png
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Saturday, 19 January 2013 03:55 (eleven years ago) link
that one is awesome!
― s.clover, Saturday, 19 January 2013 05:05 (eleven years ago) link
i'm sure here will be some sort of installation concept art piece built on these images in short order.
― s.clover, Saturday, 19 January 2013 05:06 (eleven years ago) link
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/406162_10152446044160641_1447184854_n.jpg
― Frobisher the (Viceroy), Sunday, 20 January 2013 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
date her for at least 3 months out of pity
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 20 January 2013 22:31 (eleven years ago) link
guilttrip.me
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Sunday, 20 January 2013 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
I just love how the wording presumes that such a thing is easy for dudes.
― Frobisher the (Viceroy), Sunday, 20 January 2013 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
IF A GIRL ADMITS SHE LIKES YOU ON A BEACH, KNOW THAT YOUR ALARM HAS PROBABLY BEEN GOING OFF FOR THE LAST TWENTY MINUTES AND YOU ARE LATE FOR WORK
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Sunday, 20 January 2013 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
^^^ hurt myself lolling at this
― non-elitist melted poo (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 January 2013 00:44 (eleven years ago) link
and so to bed :\
― non-elitist melted poo (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 January 2013 00:46 (eleven years ago) link
lool hurting
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 21 January 2013 01:01 (eleven years ago) link
lmao @ Hurting
― ey, Monday, 21 January 2013 10:13 (eleven years ago) link
so much hate for this
http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/379652_444425808962464_1738606215_n.jpg
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Monday, 21 January 2013 10:36 (eleven years ago) link
The cavalcade of wacky fonts is really what puts it over the top
― Moodles, Monday, 21 January 2013 14:54 (eleven years ago) link
beauty for your eyes to see indeed
― ▼ardkore mort▼ (DJ Mencap), Monday, 21 January 2013 15:12 (eleven years ago) link
comic sans for your soul
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 21 January 2013 16:18 (eleven years ago) link
the 5 fonts you meet in Heaven
― non-elitist melted poo (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 January 2013 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/316909_10151372931773769_493404403_n.jpg
― s.clover, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 03:46 (eleven years ago) link
nelson-laugh.jpg
― Butt Trump tweet (Matt P), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 03:50 (eleven years ago) link
Our neighbors has chickens. They live their lives caged within in a fenced-in chicken house. The neighborhood coyotes find this situation disgusting.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 03:53 (eleven years ago) link
the coyotes are posting the meme
― Mordy, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 03:54 (eleven years ago) link
"fuck you"
— john cage
― the maybe of bâcon (clouds), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 03:59 (eleven years ago) link
lol clouds
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 04:11 (eleven years ago) link
http://silencedmajority.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834520b4b69e2017c320e4653970b-580wi
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 00:17 (eleven years ago) link
eddie vader understands the ginormity of the situation
― #guy #guy fieri #poop #hallway (zachlyon), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 00:29 (eleven years ago) link
Edie Vader
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 00:29 (eleven years ago) link
of all the photos of him to use I mean cmon
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 00:30 (eleven years ago) link
i think that's a good picture, looks like he's rockin for freedom
― Spectrum, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 00:31 (eleven years ago) link
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/269480_400058893411970_337811099_n.jpg
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 00:31 (eleven years ago) link
xpost idk he's kinda got crazy hobo hair
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 00:32 (eleven years ago) link
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/etienne_saint/ScreenShot2013-01-22at43142PM_zpsa2ccd918.png
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 00:33 (eleven years ago) link
ha what
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 00:34 (eleven years ago) link