how do you think a 'hands on' approach would work, exactly
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:07 (eleven years ago) link
i mean i know it's way more fun to just be like, "oh the adults around him are just bad people" but that really doesn't quite capture it
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:08 (eleven years ago) link
on a purely mercenary level, they're inept
― let's go do some crimes (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:10 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think they're bad people, but i think based on your piece that the people around him can do a better job of helping him not sabotage his career. throwing your hands up and going "eh, he's gonna do the opposite of whatever we say!" isn't a good way to handle things imo
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:11 (eleven years ago) link
who said they're throwing up their hands? they are inept but who exactly COULD step in & manage him? who would he let 'manage' him in the traditional sense?
i feel like this is one of those situations where you think you know what you would do, but it's kind of rich to be sitting back armchair-managing the whole situation w/out observing first hand
and this isn't in any way a defense of his mgr's, i basically think 'trust none' is probably closer to the way a lot of people in the situation are operating
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:13 (eleven years ago) link
saying that the people around him could be doing better is not armchair managing
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:16 (eleven years ago) link
what Pitchfork did was probably far further out of the realm of what music press usually does or should do than anything his management has done
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:17 (eleven years ago) link
i mean we're asking someone to run interference on someone else's unprecedented monumentally bad idea
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:18 (eleven years ago) link
man you guys really don't respect chief keef's intelligence do you
― da croupier, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:19 (eleven years ago) link
it takes a village to keep a guy from being filmed at a shooting range while on probation
― da croupier, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:21 (eleven years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:16 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
idk i think it kind of is when you have this situation.
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:30 (eleven years ago) link
I feel like we can at least settle the question of "does Chief Keef do amazingly stupid shit" in light of all this
― Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:32 (eleven years ago) link
he makes great music & managed to get out of extraordinarily horrible conditions using it, so i give him some credit
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:35 (eleven years ago) link
at least, get partway out
gonna say
― da croupier, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 00:36 (eleven years ago) link
I hope Pitchfork pays for this.
― longneck, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 08:23 (eleven years ago) link
― da croupier, Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:21 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is funny because somehow a village wasn't enough to keep this from happening, like how many people did this decision go through?
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 08:27 (eleven years ago) link
"Hey, how about we take Chief Keef to the shooting range? That would be fun, right?
― longneck, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 08:38 (eleven years ago) link
Elliot Wilson "supports" Keef - and goes after Ciara for sounding like Keef. I'm sure Dawn has some medieval battle gear she can lend Lex for the upcoming, epic battle.
― longneck, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 08:47 (eleven years ago) link
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― longneck, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 08:49 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTmw37bLZKk
― longneck, Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:23 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol
― fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
on the one hand, he's 17, it's really kinda that simple, the threat of incarceration seldom seems real enough to a teenager to stop him from doing fun shit especially if it's right there in front of his face and free
OTOH massive, endless lol at anybody mad at Pitchfork about this. I did 3 years supervised probation. Know what I didn't do during those three years? Go to a firing range at all. Know why? The judge told me not to do anything that would lead to me landing in his courtroom again. I was also a kid at the time. If you give a shit about not going to jail and the threat of getting sent there has been put in front of you, you just have to toughen up a little when the good times present themselves, or you can pay the damn piper later
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
the thing is though even if there had never been any legal ramifications, "interview at a gun range" would never have been anything but an awful idea
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
It's a great idea if you want people to think you have the social sensitivity of the rich daughter from Native Son
― Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
sorry that was a little incoherent, what I mean to say is "if you are enjoying this dude, you should take a long, hard look in the mirror and be fucking embarrassed"
― Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
some dude otm it's like if the angle most people are going for is "oh this kid's nihilism is 4 real and he is a living embodiment of a terrible, violent social environment" it's like...your response is to turn the violence into a gimmick-for-lulz? right
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
Right.
― longneck, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
I think there was some quote from the literary clusterfucks thread about everybody being horrible
― for the relief of unbearable space hugs (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
i wasn't really lol'ing at the idea that pitchfork was terrible in all this, it was more just the actual phrase "i hope pitchfork pays for this" was so serious it was just funny to me
― fieri inna babylon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
mostly i feel bad for a sound guy. talk about tough locations to record an interview. xpost.
"if you are enjoying this dude, you should take a long, hard look in the mirror and be fucking embarrassed"
why, do his personal problems vitiate the musicality of his work?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
his personal problems are beside the point; the music he's putting out is stupid garbage
― Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
well, that's a legit disagreement. i find some of it pretty hypnotic and compelling.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
some people think cucumbers taste better pickled
― NINO CARTER, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
What about it is hypnotic and compelling? What is he saying/doing that you find fascinating? All I here is an ignoramus with the vocabulary of a muffin saying ignorant shit that hundreds of other emcees have expressed much better, only with hook of being a young dude actually on probation rather than a theatrical storyteller
― Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
we've explained about a hundred times itt
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
i mean, i get it, DJP is not a fan of new street rap. i'm not trying to convince you that you need to hear him. it's obv divisive music for a reason. but you are intentionally provoking ppl who are finding something musically compelling in it
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
oh horrors
― Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
you're implying that we wouldn't like him as much if he didn't come with the violent backstory. that may be true of some--certainly it's made him a bit more of a media phenom--but I'd like to think it doesn't matter to me. i actually had no idea he was such a fuckup until well after i heard some of his tracks. i admit they took some getting used to, as has a lot of other chi trill stuff like sasha go hard, king louie, etc. if anything i guess i have them some extra time b/c they are from my home town (even though, practically, our life experiences were so different as to put into question whether we were actually raised in the same town in any meaningful sense).
anyway, keef's not a lyricist, obviously. i mean he's not a Lyricist-capital-"A." he's never going to wear that crown. there's not much wordplay in the sense of puns, metaphors, complex internal rhymes, etc.
but i'm not sure a rapper (or any artist) needs to "say" or "express" something _new_ -- if the sounds coming out of their mouth sound good with the production, it doesn't necessarily need to matter.
and his flow is very deliberate, in the sense of being slow with not a ton of rhythmic variation (w/in a song anyway). but there's something subtle and seductive about his minimalist flow. it doesn't signify "old school" or "childlike" as it might with other folks. to me it seems to signify, or just evoke, an occult-like incantation.
but: taste is taste, of course.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 21:05 (eleven years ago) link
xxxpost
Didn't know anything about him when i heard 'don't like' which turned out to be one of the best 5 tracks i heard in 2012. Hate looking at myself in the mirror for a host of reasons, liking chief keef ain't one of them.
― pandemic, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
funny, when i look in the mirror i see chief keef.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
Keef doesn't exist in a vacuum: he's influenced by (and influencing) a bunch of other rap artists that ppl are into, myself included. Fair enough you don't like it but stop acting like it's outrageous people think his music is good.
― tpp, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
I first listened to Chief Keef following a string of links starting with an article about Amor Lilman's Pull Ya Pants Up
― for the relief of unbearable space hugs (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 21:16 (eleven years ago) link
fwiw I played I Don't Like five times and Pull Ya Pants Up only once
― for the relief of unbearable space hugs (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
somehow I think your fragile egos will survive my opinion that this dude sucks and that ppl supporting him have terrible taste in music
― Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
well that's just the last straw *gets into spaceship and blasts off never to be seen again*
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
that's that ship i don't like.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 21:40 (eleven years ago) link
― Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:26 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
my #1 album is your least favorite rap artist of 2012 & my #2 is your most favorite rap artist of 2012. lol
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
I can understand how somebody could like his music but you're seriously going with that as the best of 2012?
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 22:08 (eleven years ago) link