xp Arrogance and ignorance, yes, perfectly out.
― carl agatha, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
i feel like we basically have a whole political party devoted to harvesting this energy today though, i mean legislation does get written based on OMG Shariah Law!!! etc. They have just abandoned the Satan theme bc it is too quaint now.
― the dyspeptic Hirax (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
PUT
God damn Apple autocorrecting what I type to try and frustrate and silence me well IT WILL NOT WORK I tell you. #appletruth
― carl agatha, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
i feel like we basically have a whole political party devoted to harvesting this energy today though, i mean legislation does get written based on OMG Shariah Law!!! etc. They have just abandoned the Satan theme bc it is too quaint now.Scariest people next door imo
That's just me, though. I can see how other people wouldn't be as afraid of them.
― this customer is a jerk (La Lechera), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 17:47 (eleven years ago) link
i guess that what makes me apoplectically angry is the thought of basically sane if radically cynical ppl deliberately preying on this in order to get viewers/clicks/clout. I know G Beck is no longer on FOX but his little tutorials on there were such unbelievably blatant schizotypic-baiting it made me want to never stop vomiting. And he is IMO a sane person, doing untold damage to ppl's personal lives because he can, and it's easy, and it's I guess fun.
xpost
the ppl next door are fucking terrifying!
― the dyspeptic Hirax (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 17:49 (eleven years ago) link
Man that salon thing has me in the worst mood, sorry guys
― the dyspeptic Hirax (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 17:50 (eleven years ago) link
Yes, I agree. I'm sorry for bringing it up. This is what I do. I make everyone feel worse! Working on that.
― this customer is a jerk (La Lechera), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 17:56 (eleven years ago) link
Does anyone want to join my nuclear disarmament club it's really fun?!
― this customer is a jerk (La Lechera), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 17:57 (eleven years ago) link
This is what I do. I make everyone feel worse!
That is not true.
― carl agatha, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 17:58 (eleven years ago) link
No I know, it's just one of several things I do. Ask my parents!
― this customer is a jerk (La Lechera), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
...
― carl agatha, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:01 (eleven years ago) link
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8022/7377723998_c0ce9118e5_c.jpg
― this customer is a jerk (La Lechera), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:03 (eleven years ago) link
hahaha awww, ILU, LL
― carl agatha, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
:)anything to scrub my brain and yours from thinking about how doomed we all are
― this customer is a jerk (La Lechera), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:06 (eleven years ago) link
LL don't feel guilty, I had already seen it b/c DJP linked it from facebook. EVIL EVIL DJP who makes everyone feel bad
― the dyspeptic Hirax (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
I make everyone feel worse!
Don't be a total loon. DJP, otoh....
― grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
plus the major active ingredient FEAR
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― grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
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― the dyspeptic Hirax (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 19:22 (eleven years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e6/FearTheRecord.jpg
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
A couple of famous UK cases here which seem in retrospect to be part of the same general climate of SRA-related hysteria prevalent at the time.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2006/jan/12/childrensservices.uknewshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Ronaldsay_child_abuse_scandal
I saw a documentary on the Orkney case a few years ago. The most shocking thing was the complete refusal of the social workers concerned to accept they could ever have been wrong, even in the face of damning evidence to the contrary.
The objects seized during the raids were later returned; they included a videotape of the TV show Blackadder, a detective novel by Ngaio Marsh, and a model aeroplane made by one of the children from two pieces of wood, which was identified by social workers as a "wooden cross". The minister was asked to sign for the return of "three masks, two hoods, one black cloak", but refused to sign until the inventory was altered to "three nativity masks, two academic hoods, one priest's robe".
― Pheeel, Thursday, 17 January 2013 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks, I never heard of those. The same infernal procession, again and again, so fucking sad. Gonna see if I can find that BBC docu mentioned in the wiki link.
Participants itt will be excited for this new release (I know I am):
http://www.amazon.com/Going-Clear-Scientology-Hollywood-Prison/dp/0307700666
― consistency is the owlbear of small minds (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 17 January 2013 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
LL have you seen the documentary Witch Hunt, about Kern County? I was just reading about it and wondered if you'd seen it
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 January 2013 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
that doc is REALLY good - super sad and awful, though
― just1n3, Thursday, 31 January 2013 18:58 (eleven years ago) link
I just started watching
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
I saw that. It was on NF streaming, at least as of last year sometime. Very depressing.
― hibernaculum (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
Just came across these on Amazon; how are they?
Folk Devils and Moral Panics (Routledge Classics) by Stanley Cohen Moral Panics: The Social Construction of Deviance by Erich Goode
― dow, Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
Re: Kern Cty - I have not! If it is still on netflix, I most definitely will. (But if JL finds it "very" depressing, it must be pretty bad.)
Haven't read either of those books either. Sorry! I have read Charles McKay's Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds though -- if either of these books contain more contemporary examples, I'd add them to the reading queue.
― this customer is a jerk (La Lechera), Thursday, 31 January 2013 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah you need to see Witch Hunt
I'm almost through it - it's just v sad hearing the families talk about their kids being taken from them. hearing their own firsthand accounts, patents & kids is really fascinating & sad & heartbreaking that it ever happened
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 January 2013 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
I dunno that I found it any more depressing than any of the other reading that I've done, but it's more that it puts faces and lives to those stories, which I think is kind of good, overall.
In other news (yes I'm bored and trawling youtube) -- I found an old BBC (? I think? It seems like a BBC joint) doc called In Satan's Name about satanists and ritual abuse and mpd - it's pretty great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4hy6BIWHpo
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
I also just discovered that the Ritual Abuse Taskforce still exists. STILL EXISTS
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:47 (eleven years ago) link
maybe they've changed their focus from satan
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:50 (eleven years ago) link
oh but there's this (sorry I'll stop)
h t t p://ritualabuse.u s/ritualabuse/articles/mcmartin-preschool-case-what-really-happened-and-the-coverup/
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
^^^ that's worth a read, lemme tell ya
xxpost that is a recurring theme-- the people who made a creed out of this shit are largely still sticking to their story today.
― hibernaculum (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 31 January 2013 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, that's for sure -- it was so deeply a part of their reason for existing professionally and they banked everything on it, so goddammit, they're sticking to it
― this customer is a jerk (La Lechera), Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:19 (eleven years ago) link
it's just so unconscionable to me, I don't know how they lie straight in bed at night
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:22 (eleven years ago) link
OTM. And yet, to recant something on that level is basically like... I dunno, I'd have to go study zen for the rest of my life. Ego defense is an amazing powerful thing
― hibernaculum (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:23 (eleven years ago) link
OTM
Root cause of many societal ills.
― carl agatha, Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:25 (eleven years ago) link
And all arguments on the internet.
the saddest thing in that Witch Hunt doc was a couple of the male adult children who recanted, talking about how they couldn't bring themselves to bathe their own infant children because they were ashamed
ashamed
like that whole system fucked them up for life for making them admit to these awful things. the kinds of things that IRL fuck actual victims up. the fact that they manufactured these cases and ruined the lives of perfectly healthy children and adults is just RAAGGGGH
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:32 (eleven years ago) link
It's time for a breather VG -- I know the signs! Go read something funny!
― this customer is a jerk (La Lechera), Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
Protect ya neck (from Satan)
― this customer is a jerk (La Lechera), Thursday, 31 January 2013 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
<3
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 1 February 2013 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
sound advice, LL
I've had to take a break from reading about stuff like this more times than I can count! After I read Jeremy Scahill's Blackwater book I seriously had to decompress. Finally maybe I am ready to read Going Clear, but with caution and hopefully this time not by myself. It's a lot easier to stomach this stuff when I have someone to talk about it with; otherwise, I'm basically just walking around with tons of horrific thoughts 24/7 and that's not a ton of fun.
― this customer is a jerk (La Lechera), Friday, 1 February 2013 00:06 (eleven years ago) link
I get the same way with my true-crime obsessiveness, after a while I start noting windowless vans and looking at missing persons notices online and seeing possible grave sites on my nature walks, it's a bad scene. I should have recognized the signs!
But I def want to read more when I've decompressed a little
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 1 February 2013 00:08 (eleven years ago) link
― this customer is a jerk (La Lechera), Friday, 1 February 2013 00:11 (eleven years ago) link
but I still love you to death for creating this thread
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 1 February 2013 00:13 (eleven years ago) link
<3 to my bad news buddies
― hibernaculum (Jon Lewis), Friday, 1 February 2013 00:14 (eleven years ago) link
hey, creating this thread helped me feel like there were fewer wasps in my headit's my pleasure!
― this customer is a jerk (La Lechera), Friday, 1 February 2013 00:15 (eleven years ago) link