Under her brow the snowy wing-case delivers truly the surpriseof days which slide under sunlight past loose glass in the door into the reflection of honour spreadthrough the incomplete, the trusted. So darkly the stain skips as a liveryof your pause like an apple pip, the baltic loved one who sleeps.[...]
I mean, wow.
― Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 02:38 (nineteen years ago) link
Just as good, and half as long!
― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 24 June 2004 05:15 (nineteen years ago) link
As white is sheAnd to my touch as choice and briefly satisfactoryAs whitebeam leaves that the wind whips aloft,That tell to the eye their texture soft:Sweet message sentTo fingertips, and sweetness quickly spent.
Where she goesSliding curtains of the rain on rods of sun her ways enclose,River-whirling gulls her gay sky recieves,Road, their hostile posters furled,Bless with arching eaves;She my love by London gentled as by space the spinning world.
- Anne Ridler, Young Man's Song
― cis (cis), Thursday, 24 June 2004 09:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 24 June 2004 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 24 June 2004 21:19 (nineteen years ago) link
Now, not that there's anything wrong with the poem for using those words -- they do slide into one another nicely, and it's well crafted enough and it doesn't seem to be trying to hit you over the head with some obvious meaning -- but where the poem gets interesting (for me) is where it leaves the obviously poetic words behind and finds poetry someplace I haven't seen before, such as the phrase "an apple pip". "Pip" and "slide" are both great onomatopoetic [sp?] words, but "slide" has been in a jillion poems and "pip" hasn't.
And "baltic" is such a nice change after "apple pip" -- /b/ being so similar to /p/, the /aw/ and /i/ in "baltic" so similar to the /a/ and /i/ in "apple pip", with the "tic" really lauching you off into new sonic territory -- but then it just goes back to more obviously poetic terms again.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 24 June 2004 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 24 June 2004 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― tom cleveland (tom cleveland), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link
Well, the index doesn't list any but it does have an entry for "sled":
Glass was the Street -- in tinsel PerilTree and Traveller stood --Filled was the Air with merry ventureHearty with Boys the Road --
Shot the lithe Sleds like shod vibrationsEmphasized and goneIt is the Past's supreme italicMakes this present mean --
[1498, c. 1880.]
[Hm, it came out a sort of Christmas-in-July offering.]
― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 25 June 2004 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link
I was, as they later confirmed, a very sick boy. The star performer at the meeting-house, my eyes rolled back to show the whites, my arms outstretched in catatonic supplication while I gibbered impeccably in the gorgeous tongues of the aerial orders. On Tuesday nights, before I hit the Mission, I'd nurse my little secret: Blind Annie Spall, the dead evangelist I'd found still dying in creditable squalor above the fishmonger's in Rankine Street. The room was ripe with gurry and old sweat; from her socket in the greasy mattress, Annie belted through hoarse chorus after chorus while I prayed loudly, absently enlarging the crater that I'd gouged in the soft plaster. Her eyes had been put out before the war, just in time to never see the daughter with the hare-lip and the kilt of dirty dishtowels who ran the brothel from the upstairs flat and who'd chap to let me know my time was up, then lead me down the dark hall, its zoo-smell, her slippers peeling off the sticky lino. At the door, I'd shush her quiet, pressing my bus-fare earnestly into her hand.
Four years later. Picture me: drenched in patchouli, strafed with hash-burns, casually arranged on Susie's bed. Smouldering frangipani; Dali's The Persistence of Memory; pink silk loosely knotted round the lamp to soften the light; a sheaf of Penguin Classics, their spines all carefully broken in the middle; a John Martyn album mumbling through the speakers. One hand was jacked up her skirt, the other trailing over the cool wall behind the headboard where I found the hole in the plaster again. The room stopped like a lift; Sue went on talking. It was a nightmare, Don. We had to gut the place.
― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 26 June 2004 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link
I think this is definitely a 'working class poem' despite his protestations, to the contrary, that he's written only one of those ('an elliptical stylus'). again, this, like that, challenges the reader's (or writer's) impulse towards indentification and is actually more emetic than angering, I think. the first 7 lines of the second stanza are quite flat I think, clichéd almost ('strafed', 'mumbling', the careful breaking), perhaps it's intent made apparent. you can almost feel the rhythm of the poem stop, with its lift, as if your body, your thoughts have ceased to progress but yet your eyes, drawn in by the poem, on rails now, your eyes read on and, on surface, take in what the rest of you doesn't take in. that shift into italics, a shift into another person's voice heard rather than spoken. god, what a poem.
what does it mean? thread?
― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 26 June 2004 22:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 26 June 2004 22:08 (nineteen years ago) link
Cozen, you should! I don't know what yours means either, but I'd love to hear what people thought, it's pretty extraordinary.
― Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Saturday, 26 June 2004 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link
I wish I had written that. *sigh*
From Cardigan Bay (by Leslie Norris)
For those who live hereAfter our daylight, ICould wish us to lookOut of the darknessWe have become, teachingThem happiness, a true love.
What more could we (or anyone) wish for on a Sunday morning than happiness, a true love?
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Sunday, 27 June 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 27 June 2004 23:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 June 2004 08:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Archel (Archel), Monday, 28 June 2004 09:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 June 2004 09:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Archel (Archel), Monday, 28 June 2004 09:35 (nineteen years ago) link
I am going to read Don Paterson's sonnets anthology, myself. I have it, here.
― the pomefox, Monday, 28 June 2004 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link
And Edwin Morgan's take on Cage is great, the pure form of that pleasing squareness of sonnets than DP talks about in the intro.
― Archel (Archel), Monday, 28 June 2004 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link
Archel, I have written a few sonnets where I have tried to make the break between A and B be at the golden mean point in the sonnet -- towards the end of the 9th line.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 28 June 2004 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link
A golden mean point in a sonnet is an interesting idea. I'm trying to imagine how that works.
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Monday, 28 June 2004 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 June 2004 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link
The proportion of a sonnet's 14 lines that divides it up along the golden mean is approximately 8.75:5.25. So three-quarters of the way through eighth line, you can introduce the second part. Most sonnets are divided 8:6, which is fairly close, and allows for your traditional ABBACDDCEFFEFE type rhyme scheme.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 28 June 2004 20:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 June 2004 21:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 06:10 (nineteen years ago) link
Here's a topping 14-line one though:
The Bright Field
I have seen the sun break throughto illuminate a small fieldfor a while, and gone my wayand forgotten it. But that was the pearlof great price, the one field that hadthe treasure in it. I realize nowthat I must give all that I haveto possess it. Life is not hurrying
on to a receding future, nor hankering afteran imagined past. It is the turningaside like Moses to the miracleof the lit bush, to a brightnessthat seemed as transitory as your youthonce, but is the eternity that awaits you.
- RS Thomas
― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 11:42 (nineteen years ago) link
I have added a batch of new stuff to the webzine/ongoing collection of writing that I edit, and I think some of it's rather good:http://www.buzzwords.ndo.co.uk
And if any writing ILBers want to contribute, that would be nice :)
― Archel (Archel), Thursday, 1 July 2004 08:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Fred (Fred), Thursday, 1 July 2004 20:48 (nineteen years ago) link
Please come and post here instead!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wordshare/
― Archel (Archel), Friday, 2 July 2004 09:23 (nineteen years ago) link
Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand. The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert A shape with lion body and the head of a man, A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again; but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 2 July 2004 10:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― yesabibliophile (yesabibliophile), Saturday, 17 July 2004 18:17 (nineteen years ago) link
I have read and written a fair bit of poetry lately. Not having Ilx obviously agrees with me.
Jist ti Let Yi No
(from the American of Carlos Williams)
ahv drankthi speshlzthat wurrinthi frij
n thityiwurr probblihodn backfurthi pahrti
awrightthey wur greatthaht stroangthaht cawld
---Tom Leonard
― Archel (Archel), Monday, 19 July 2004 11:46 (nineteen years ago) link
I do not want to be reflective any moreEnvying and despising unreflective thingsFinding pathos in dogs and undeveloped handwritingAnd young girls doing their hair and all the castles of sandFlushed by the children's bedtime, level with the shore. [...]
(when I say for PF I mean because he mentioned Macneice, not because the particular poem is somehow relevant to him. Though it may be. It is to me.)
― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 11:29 (nineteen years ago) link
Brazil? He twirled a button,Without a glance my way:"But, madam, is there nothing elseThat we can show to-day?"
― Fred (Fred), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link
...I don't know exactly what a prayer is.I do know how to pay attention, how to fall downinto the grass, how to kneel down in the grass, how to be idle and blessed, how to stroll through the fields,which is what I have been doing all day.Tell me, what else should I have done?Doesn't everything die at last, and too soon?Tell me, what is it you plan to dowith your one wild and precious life?
--Mary Oliver
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Saturday, 24 July 2004 14:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― Fred (Fred), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 25 July 2004 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Saturday, 31 July 2004 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 31 July 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link
--
If You Had Two Husbands
If you had two husbands.If you had two husbands.Well, not exactly.If you had two husbands would you be willing to take everything and be satisfied to live in a large house with love and a view and plenty of flowers and friends at table and the young ones and cousins who said nothing.This is what happened.
She expressed everything.She is worthy of signing a will.And mentioning what she wished.She was brought up by her mother or her father. She had meaning and she was careful in reading. She read marvelously. She moved.She was pleased. She was thirty-four. She was flavored by reason of much memory and recollection.
[...]
[Michael Coffey, from "Sweet Suite: Gertrude Stein"]
― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 31 July 2004 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Saturday, 31 July 2004 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 1 August 2004 03:14 (nineteen years ago) link
I am not certain about that pome - what MacNeice is saying; whether he is being more original and searching than he looks.
Cozen, when are we going to discuss Don Paterson?
― the pomefox, Sunday, 1 August 2004 10:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 1 August 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― cºzen (Cozen), Sunday, 1 August 2004 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link