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apple site is back up!!!! i'm gonna get a mac mini to be an itunes server!

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I really do like that Macmini, does look beautiful.

http://www.apple.com/macmini/

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

suprised by no asteroid for garage band (although there's still NAMM for that), and no 17" LCD monitor to go with the Mac mini.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link

my brain has slowed down considerably now that the apple homepage updated finally

"Now, when you’re finished recording a performance on a real or software instrument, you can turn your recording into a loop."

"Now, when you’re finished recording a performance on a real or software instrument, you can turn your recording into a loop."

"Now, when you’re finished recording a performance on a real or software instrument, you can turn your recording into a loop."

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I may go from the Cube to a MacMini next, perhaps. But since I'm fine with my Cube for a while yet that means I can wait on the next generation if these take off -- would they eventually be going for a G5 version, you figure?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link

the Shuffle is nice, and priced surprisingly well.

But I wish there was an upgrade model, say at $149USD, that had Bluetooth headphones. Wires are the bane of working out or running with music.

don weiner, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link

there won't be a G5 version of the mini until they can sort out the heat issues, and that'll be PB time

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

"Do not eat iPod shuffle."
--apple.com

Jimmy Mod always makes friends with women before bedding them down (ModJ), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

g4 macmini doesn't make too much sense to me, they're kind of already obsolete don't you think?

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm writing this on a 400mHz Powerbook that doesn't feel obsolete in the slightest

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

1.25 G4 isn't at all obsolete. WTF were you planning on doing with it?

I've never seen the Apple Store website so hosed. This is nuts.

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link

i plan to control a satellite!

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

you might want to get some extra ram, slocki

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Damn: if I had Mac versions of my music software I'd be ordering a mini right now.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link

One thing I would like to see is something like the mac mini with a mini screen built into it - real portability, something smaller than an ibook but bigger than a pda. Sony has something out with a 5 or 6" screen with the innards behing it and a collapsable keyboard -- but it's just slightly too small to read.

57 7th (calstars), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link

http://images.apple.com/macmini/images/indexports20050111.jpg

very neat, but shouldn't there be more ins?

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link

s1ocki is Hugo Drax and I claim my $499 + shipping and handling

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link

it's basically a flattened g4 cube.

57 7th (calstars), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link

teeny, wouldn't you get more usb ins with the keyboard?

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 20:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh that's exactly what it is, right! Except uh lots cheaper and much faster and more powerful in nearly every way. Amazing.

I'm done reading about bitching. Slashdot, engadget and now ILX too. Do you people not notice what the retail price is? Go buy a fucking iMac G5, they've been out for months.

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 20:50 (nineteen years ago) link

G4 still great for everyday stuff. I'm still reasonably happy with 500Mhz G3 for every day stuff (it won't play DIVX with audio and video in sync, and sometimes not at all). The idea that everyone needs a a G5/AMD64 class processor or even a P4 is simply ridiculous and has been for some years.

That box will do, mail, word processing, web, a wide spectrum of games (not 3d heavy obv), low end movie editing, compressing, watching, mid range photo editing, music making, and all sorts of other things admirably well. This is going to make a great (and great value) first or second computer for loads of people.

it is under rammed with RAM but then all Macs are and they'd be more expensive if they weren't. That's what crucial.com is for.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been playing around over at Dell and cannot for the life of me come up with a similarly outfitted system that competes with this, price/feature set wise. Am I just retarded?

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Get the internal Bluetooth upgrade and that would eliminate the need for at least one port as well--how many ports are you going to need if you can use Bluetooth for the mouse, keyboard, and printer?

don weiner, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I only want a G5 for bragging rights. OK maybe I'd do a bit more with it than with this G3, but more than a G4. The G3 is a bloody good chip. Altivec on a G4 still eats even SSE 3 for breakfast, it has more pipelines than a P4, execute more instructions per clock cycle and consumes a tiny amount of the power by comparison.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I am having a hard time believing only me and like 4 other people on the entire internet seem to have heard of these things called USB Hubs

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

very neat, but shouldn't there be more ins?

teeny, wouldn't you get more usb ins with the keyboard?

...and you can daisy chain firewire

xxx-post

Jimmy Mod always makes friends with women before bedding them down (ModJ), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone else dying to break one of these open and see how they fit it all in? I can't even find out if it's using a 2.5" or 3.5"

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link

xxxxxpost,
I'm sure you can match the feature set at many different vendors, but certainly not the size. Also, it's difficult to determine which processor would be comparable.

That said, the mini is a giant step in the right direction pricewise.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Damn: if I had Mac versions of my music software I'd be ordering a mini right now.

Depending on the PC software you use, there might be crossgrade options. I'm pretty sure they had one for Cubase SX / Logic 5 PC users to move to Logic Pro 6 when it came out. Abelton offer a peridoc Acid to Live crossgrade as well.

Graeme (Graeme), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link

http://images.apple.com/macmini/images/designhands20050111.gif

http://images.apple.com/macmini/images/designinsides20050111.jpg

I am just kind of amazed at the amount of what I see as complete ignorance and misunderstanding about these new products' capabilities and target market going on in the media. I guess it's typical tech-journo-not-getting-the-consumer-at-all assumptions about the users, or maybe I'm the fool here. From The Register:

Apple's new tiny solid-state iPod, the iPod Shuffle, is more of a curiosity. It weighs only one ounce and has no display, and is priced at $99 for 512MB or $149 for 1GB. Apple hopes that iTunes users will have a list of "today's favourites" which they'll want to take with them, but will change frequently. So 'iPod Cache' or 'iPod On The Go' are equally appropriate.


It's not a bad assumption, and it certainly makes sense to capitalize on both the iPod's name recognition, and Apple's own synchronization software, which is head and shoulders above its rivals. The risk is diluting the brand. The iPod earned its reputation by being the jukebox that carries all your music ("Five thousand songs in your pocket"), in comparison to low-cost, low-capacity flash players which only carry a few songs. Apple must be hoping that there's a substantial market of potential customers who'd like an iPod, but can't tell the difference between the two.

Uh, iTunes store? uh, AAC? uh, low cost flash players compatible with AAC/iTunes music store? Uh, lower price points boost market penetration/the iPod shuffle wipes out the last bastion of competition in the arena right now? FFS

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Lovely, Graeme, but that sounds suspiciously, umm, legal!

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

T-bot OTM re: ischaffel.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, who wants a Dell music player?

Jimmy Mod always makes friends with women before bedding them down (ModJ), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:21 (nineteen years ago) link

nobody. Not even the fucking president

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

sounds suspiciously, umm, legal

Ah yes, there is that slight hiccup.

Graeme (Graeme), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I want all you Apple people to be honest here. Have you ever actually licked a Mac/iPod/etc???

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Uh, iTunes store? uh, AAC? uh, low cost flash players compatible with AAC/iTunes music store? Uh, lower price points boost market penetration/the iPod shuffle wipes out the last bastion of competition in the arena right now? FFS

The reason I will buy one is because the iPod (and even the mini) are not good for use when exercising. They are passable in the weight room but useless on a bike or running. And I don't need more than 100 songs to get a good workout in, even when I'm training for a marathon.

And frankly, the above reason is exactly why a lot of people buy flash-based players. A part of me would prefer a card-based iShufflePod, but it's a minor inconvenience. I'm pretty excited about it, actually. In fact, I'm not really sure that I'll be using my iPod that much after I buy an iShufflePod.

don weiner, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah the workout factor is a big selling point for me.

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

The idea that everyone needs a a G5/AMD64 class processor or even a P4 is simply ridiculous and has been for some years.

I totally agree w/ you Ed, but the idea that most folks can afford an AMD64 class machine if they have half an idea what they're doing building a system isn't ridiculous at all. Apple can't boast the same thing...

(I know, I know, broad generalization that really doesn't include laptops at all... Not considering Apple's target market, etc., etc.)

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

(Then again even the AMD Athlon series chips can outperform a P4.)

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

As I said on the iSchaffel iShuffle thread that's brewing over on ILM, it's basically a USB memory stick with an MP3 player incorporated. It does not have to play in shuffle mode, and I could happily replace my (relatively) huge MP3 Discman with it.

Oh, and that Mac Mini, for what it is, looks pretty badass.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 22:05 (nineteen years ago) link

it's basically a USB memory stick with an MP3 player incorporated

That's why I think it would be totally cool if they made just the little mp3 player with a USB jack on one end that could read file systems the same way an mp3 discman reads them off of a cdr. Cause then you'd at least have the option to use it as a front end for a very large USB hard drive or a tiny stick... It'd probably appeal to a lot more people if that were the case (and it would be EVEN SMALLER, which after all seems to be Mac's new reason to exist).

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

(Not to mention the fact that Mac could then create several more "matched" products to go with it.)

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 22:16 (nineteen years ago) link

g4 macmini doesn't make too much sense to me, they're kind of already obsolete don't you think?

Not at all. I know someone who was going to buy a cheapo Dell just for academic work that will now get one of the minis.

Gator Magoon (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 00:12 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm just sayin'--imacs are already g5s!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 00:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Gator speaks! I knew this thread revival would draw him out.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link

The 1.8GHz G5 iMac only outperforms the 1 GHz G4 by like 20% on operations that most users will never encounter.

The MacMini maxed out to 1GB of RAM will do everything most people need for years, even Photoshop and InDesign (etc.).

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 03:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Pages looks very cool. It looks like less of a work processor and more like a DTP package. Since leaving uni I've not needed MS word at all, just using TextEdit for Letters when they are needed, but Pages looks cool, even if I can't think of a use for 90% of it's features. May be useful for weaning suzy off MS word and the 99% of the features that she doesn't use.

Shame there's no spreadsheet though. It wouldn't have to be that advanced. Arithmetic and accounting functions only, no real need for geometric or statistical functions in a home spreadsheet.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 09:21 (nineteen years ago) link

is there a feature that eliminates erroneous apostrophes?

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 09:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I need to reach Ellen Fleiss, does anyone have contact information for her?

David M. Green, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 09:47 (nineteen years ago) link


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