GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

she was very ostentatiously talking about how she wasn't into him = she was into him

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You all have me convinced. I downloaded this new episode and am commencing viewing imminently.

much better than Tiny Furniture, altho I'm glad she kept my favorite actor/character from that (Ray)

― Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, January 14, 2013 7:58 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

really? I hate the fuck and want to punch him in the face all the time.

thought this was a good start to the season and agree that ray is hilarious + owns

Having not seen an episode since the last season ended I was once again shocked with Shoshanna's character as it's the opposite of her Mad Men. I know that's what ~~acting~~ is but still.

I hardly connect them! I know it's the same actress but I don't really think of them as the same person, or even actor portraying a person.

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^ how I feel about girls

having watched 11 episodes in 2 days i love what a progressive shitshow this is and kind of want to spring for hbo

i hope next week springs back into like none-too-universalised but generationally-applicable shit-happening-to-some-girls territory. mining the ~emotional landscape~ created by everyone's situations is pretty dry. like ex-boyfriends. i worried a lil about the writing, too. like hannah's parents were so creatively drawn, & marnie's mom seems like such an obvious stock go-to destination (in spite of killer lines, ie rough hands), it could wade into real uninteresting areas, as if what was smart about it was the webs it wove rather than just what happens. this was a p awkward ep but i feel like it would be interesting to look back on later; most all of hannah's speech was sorta super & deeply heartbreaking & smart to me, but none of it was really effective in the episode.

also i know there is a big ~fountainhead reveal~ coming but it's p weird that no characer detail was bestowed upon donald glover beyond a) african american & b) donald glover.

tbf he was on screen for like 45 seconds

http://www.interviewmagazine.com/film/lena-dunham-february-2013#_

Miranda July interview Lena Dunham while feeding her baby = most precious purgative ever

I never realized until recently how much of making work for me was also based in making the people around me understand that I got it. Sometimes when I make things, it's because I want my parents to see that I know what a pain I've been. I just want them to see it and feel that I know. It's not necessarily even wanting them to know that I'm sorry—just that I'm in on it, so don't think I'm not. Or, for example, with a guy who I've slept with, I'll think, "You're going to see my movie and you're going to understand that I was out-thinking you the entire time and you didn't even know it." Of course, that's not how anybody perceives your work...I don't know if you've ever had that fantasy.

v interesting quote imo, re: her kinda generationally-self-loathing output. the focus on her self-recognition alongside her more general caricaturing is v salient.

breaking: 20something into subtweeting, given lots of money to do so

great ep, Hannah's self-sabotage and apparently instinctual and unwitting cruelty is back and not just as a joke like in the job interview with Mike Birbiglia. Wonder if it will turn out that Adam is off the wagon.

tbf Judd Apatow has that fantasy often

Well, I should say, produces that fantasy. His own is something else.

On the first couple of episodes I really, really hated this show but gave it a chance and have really warmed to it and have caught up. UK'ing it so not got the second episode of Series 2 yet. Buuut what I like about it, even though the life experiences in this show are very different from mine is that that 20's year old superconfidence + superinsecurity thing = social fuck up is universal. At the same time I wouldn't defend the show too much as I realise the faults in it and I could easily despise it.

ok this episode is actually funny for a change.

youd be like really good @ bathing a pig

why dont you lay this thing down flip it and reverse it

im glad this show is finally funny again

I never realized until recently how much of making work for me was also based in making the people around me understand that I got it. Sometimes when I make things, it's because I want my parents to see that I know what a pain I've been. I just want them to see it and feel that I know. It's not necessarily even wanting them to know that I'm sorry—just that I'm in on it, so don't think I'm not. Or, for example, with a guy who I've slept with, I'll think, "You're going to see my movie and you're going to understand that I was out-thinking you the entire time and you didn't even know it." Of course, that's not how anybody perceives your work...I don't know if you've ever had that fantasy.

Why is self-awareness and a sense of irony about her selfishness this saving grace to her? It's as though she's not ashamed at all to have been selfish, even towards her parents, but it's being perceived as the unaware megalomaniac, who had lost perspective or was naive, that's horrifying. But perhaps she's aware that this attitude is also nagl, and there's self-awareness, and we're another layer in...

"Welcome to the LayerCupCake..."

Hmm. But then again, she has parents who decide it 'wouldn't be honest' to stay all the way through school plays that suck etc, who seem to have taught her this creative selfishness by example. I did enjoy that interview.

parents who decide it 'wouldn't be honest' to stay all the way through school plays that suck

this sounds awesome!!

haha of course marnie is from montclair

this was a great ep

is it just me or is this season really dark? Like in a lighting sense. Every indoor scene seems murky as hell

this seemed k soap opera-y & broadbrush, to me :/

like i feel like it can be really incisive & thoughtful about which moments of relationships & friendships are representative, are punctums, but so far this season it's just been like generic tv show shit, like don't tell hannah *people bristle under the weight of a shared secret*. also not to sound like donald glover reading the essay but nothing is really happening to the characters, apart from marnie losing her job i guess. i always want homer to be at work on the simpsons & i would be sorta into just dry & droll shit being chronicled on girls. all of this said the scene where hannah chased adam out of the apartment was really moving & tonally just really interesting to me, like probably operating on a louie-ish level of flexible emotional terrain.

Why is self-awareness and a sense of irony about her selfishness this saving grace to her? It's as though she's not ashamed at all to have been selfish, even towards her parents, but it's being perceived as the unaware megalomaniac, who had lost perspective or was naive, that's horrifying. But perhaps she's aware that this attitude is also nagl, and there's self-awareness, and we're another layer in...

because it's really valuable to recognise the messy layers of human experiences; that she can fuck up at the same time as knowing she is fucking up. that there's a conflict between action, impulse & judgement is really key in her work, i think, like she is pretty content framing her character, & characters in their twenties & elsewhere, as really misguided, either by being really trapped in her head or feeling confused by whatever outside stimulus battles with her predefined sense of self. it's a saving grace because people are iirc pretty regularly pretty selfish, but are also often well intentioned & torn between things & would do things differently & feel regularly like they act uncertainly. it is very satisfying to see this represented on screen the same way that it was nice for things like the sopranos to at least fracture GOOD GUY/BAD GUY narratives by being a lil more holistic. the weirdest criticism of s1 of this was when people talked about whether or not the characters were sympathetic, or suggested they wouldn't necessarily feel drawn to watching things in which nobody felt compelling; i can understand that as an aesthetic preference, like why do i want this extra depression in my life, but at a certain point it can almost be like insisting on happy endings or softer edges in your viewing material.

haha this ep

wonder what Booth Jonathan did to Laird

eli's license says he's from colorado which I assume is a ref to tiny furniture?? or has eli always been from colorado

The mesh shirt was killing me

Apparently the next ep is up on HBoGo and On Demand.

wonder what Booth Jonathan did to Laird

probably locked him in the tv chamber

yeah that's what I assumed

"Make your mark! MAKE YOUR MARK!"

"In urine?"

what was the thing she scrawled on the wall? something about show dogs?

"Raise show dogs" which Elijah protested was one of his

lool that's right

This episode grossed me out. I feel like everyone went from being a relatable fuck-up to just ick. Laird was the only redeeming thing about it.

^OTM

The bit where douchey artist guy is like "I'm the guy you're gonna have sex with." And then Marnie sitting in that horrible lame Robot Chicken thing, and then actually having sex with him...? Did she quit her job? And then the whole drug-taking plot, which seemed like a square fifteen-year-old's vision of the NY party scene. But mostly, Hannah is just incredibly unlikable. So fucking horrible to Laird (REALLY? He tells you that he got clean, and you keep pushing him to get you drugs? Yuck.). If I wanted to watch a show full of hateful jerks, I'd watch Curb Your Enthusiasm, which I stopped being able to take after Larry tried to dump his girlfriend cuz he didn't want to deal with her having cancer.

I hope they dial back the hatefulness a bit. It seems lazy...

Two months ago if you were to tell me that Donald Glover would play the most likable character on this show I would've rmde so hard.

idk Hannah's becoming more clearly a cruel person but I don't think it's supposed to be just a gag/thing to laugh at. Maybe I'm wrong and there's no arc to that at all but the show keeps circling around her self-involvement & defensiveness and stuff and I think it's going to land somewhere cathartic.

lol schwantz I started liking the show more once I thought of it like a 20-something Curb Yr Enthusiasm - like there are no good ppl in this, just diff levels of narcissistic awfulness

I thought this ep was really funny but maybe I have detachment issues :/

xp oh, def

I'm looking forward to season 3 when they make Danny DeVito a permanent cast member.