Yeah, I think I'd like this 200% more w/o any Jay-Z.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 14 January 2013 04:57 (eleven years ago) link
it goes on for like 3 minutes before he makes a sound, not hard to imagine what it would sound like without him
― some dude, Monday, 14 January 2013 05:01 (eleven years ago) link
True, but Rev is right that it kills momentum. I'd go one step further and say that Jay's part retroactively kills momentum (that didn't even begin until the intro was over). Structurally, it's a mess.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 14 January 2013 05:08 (eleven years ago) link
it could be tighter for sure but it's totally enjoyable
― The Reverend, Monday, 14 January 2013 05:09 (eleven years ago) link
wow that intro really is grim
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 January 2013 05:15 (eleven years ago) link
feel like this fulfils the worst case scenario for this single but i still have high hopes for the album
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 January 2013 05:16 (eleven years ago) link
it's so chintzy, i feel like i need mouthwash
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 January 2013 05:17 (eleven years ago) link
R. Kelly must be rolling his eyes when listening to this.
― Chief Duff (Eazy), Monday, 14 January 2013 05:23 (eleven years ago) link
idk this feels album track-y but not bad
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 14 January 2013 05:25 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it could easily be the weakest track on a good album. wouldn't be the first time that was true of a big event lead single.
― some dude, Monday, 14 January 2013 05:28 (eleven years ago) link
Strange intro. Chintzy's a good word for the main section of the track, although that glissando is nice. I don't think it's Jay that's killing the momentum. It's the change-up in the tempo and in the production. But I do like how it picks back up at the end. Interesting to hear whether the rest of the production on this album follows similar form.
― Eggs and the marketing board behind them, Monday, 14 January 2013 05:28 (eleven years ago) link
underwhelming :\
― teledyldonix, Monday, 14 January 2013 05:30 (eleven years ago) link
First the Bowie single, and now this...Chopped 'n' screwed tempo big in '13.
― Chief Duff (Eazy), Monday, 14 January 2013 05:36 (eleven years ago) link
Werkin' Girls does it too, with better results. Trend probably comes from those who started slowing down their tracks to ~75bpm for the obligatory dubstep section.
― Eggs and the marketing board behind them, Monday, 14 January 2013 05:40 (eleven years ago) link
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:25 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
agreed
― The Reverend, Monday, 14 January 2013 05:41 (eleven years ago) link
really good imo
― flopson, Monday, 14 January 2013 05:44 (eleven years ago) link
love the chintzy horns
― flopson, Monday, 14 January 2013 05:45 (eleven years ago) link
chintzy r&b production is secretly one of the best kinds of production
― The Reverend, Monday, 14 January 2013 05:46 (eleven years ago) link
this reminds me of that debate over that one ne-yo song that i hated to death
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 January 2013 05:49 (eleven years ago) link
also that one ne-yo song that i hated to death
"champagne life," that wretched song
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 January 2013 05:50 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIjgCn6JkXU
― da croupier, Monday, 14 January 2013 05:51 (eleven years ago) link
"champagne life" was dope. gotta ride for two-step joints here.
― The Reverend, Monday, 14 January 2013 05:53 (eleven years ago) link
Doesn't bode well.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 14 January 2013 06:15 (eleven years ago) link
I've played this three times and... nope, not liking it. :/
― Roz, Monday, 14 January 2013 06:34 (eleven years ago) link
i've played this about seven times and yes i think i am kind of liking it
― monotony, Monday, 14 January 2013 06:44 (eleven years ago) link
and yes that intro is ungainly and jay-z is unsurprisingly lacklustre but those harps! the corny horns! JT you can show me a few things.
― monotony, Monday, 14 January 2013 06:48 (eleven years ago) link
The intro had me fearing the worst, but the song isn't bad, really. It's not that good, either, but it improves in the slow section after Jay's interminable guest verse - and for some reason the main groove sounds better when it comes back around in the mostly wordless coda. No way the album's gonna be as epochal as the last one was unless Tim has some genius new co-producer nobody's heard waiting in the wings. Still looking forward to it, cautiously.
― mobs of burly teen christgaus (thewufs), Monday, 14 January 2013 07:10 (eleven years ago) link
JT and Timbo go Las Vegas. I kinda like it though, Jiggaboo and all.
― future kendricks (longneck), Monday, 14 January 2013 09:19 (eleven years ago) link
i quite like that he's gone with this type of song for his big comeback, and the song itself isn't bad at all, but the intro and jay-z need to be cut out so badly
― lex pretend, Monday, 14 January 2013 09:25 (eleven years ago) link
Ha, heard the intro, thought 'why the fuck has he released a skit' Got me worried for a minute. Got a lovely vibe, bit Inspiration Information.
― owenf, Monday, 14 January 2013 09:30 (eleven years ago) link
Jiggaboo
uh
― The Reverend, Monday, 14 January 2013 09:46 (eleven years ago) link
really sorry about that - pretty inexcusable - i was thinking along the lines of jigga being the huge r&b single's best friend (boo) but it came out 100% wrong.
― future kendricks (longneck), Monday, 14 January 2013 10:04 (eleven years ago) link
pretty lightweight summer joint, sounds fine to me
sort of expecting something along the lines of "your drums, your love" though
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 14 January 2013 10:52 (eleven years ago) link
not possible to be MORE lightweight than alunageorge
― lex pretend, Monday, 14 January 2013 10:58 (eleven years ago) link
haha i was waiting for that, or something like that
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 14 January 2013 11:01 (eleven years ago) link
Loving the new jam
― Raymond Cummings, Monday, 14 January 2013 11:33 (eleven years ago) link
I was expecting something very bad after the first reactions but I just listened to it and it's pretty smooth.nothing amazing/big comeback but really nice. I think this could grow on me.anyway, I don't really see how he could have came up with something that meets the expectations after such a long time.
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 14 January 2013 12:56 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I dig this
― ;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝ (乒乓), Monday, 14 January 2013 12:57 (eleven years ago) link
smh @ champagne love hate upthread
This is precisely what Alfred means when he calls something B+.
He means C+.
― Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Monday, 14 January 2013 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
lol otm
― some dude, Monday, 14 January 2013 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
Eric, you're hired as my ghost writer.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 January 2013 15:04 (eleven years ago) link
You pay me in ghosts.
― Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Monday, 14 January 2013 15:07 (eleven years ago) link
as if the intro and hook weren't weak enough, then comes a Jay-Z verse. why? why?!?!!?
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 14 January 2013 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
surfboard p coming out of retirement for this one, damn
― some dude, Monday, 14 January 2013 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
sounded great on the radio!
― ;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝ (乒乓), Monday, 14 January 2013 16:16 (eleven years ago) link
Would've loved Gucci Mane on this. Or T.I.. Even Drake! ANYONE BUT JAY-Z.
― bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Monday, 14 January 2013 16:18 (eleven years ago) link
or NO GUEST AT ALL
but i bet i hated "sexy back" at first and then the album was brilliant so still holdin out hope.
there was so much on Futuresex that hinted to some awesome territory for him. why can't he go further into the sound he hinted at on the title track and "sexy ladies" etc
this is a step backward
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 14 January 2013 16:20 (eleven years ago) link
also, Justin timberlake is excited about getting dressed up in a suit. you're a fucking adult millionaire dude. get over it
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 14 January 2013 16:23 (eleven years ago) link
don't know how I feel about the chorus' false humility either; coming from a dude with Justin's wealth he sings it like a threat.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 13 April 2014 15:01 (ten years ago) link
So don't act like it's a bad thing to fall in love with meCause you might fuck around and find your dreams come true with meSpend all your time and your money just to find out that my love was freeSo don't act like it's a bad thing to fall in love with me, me
i looked up the chorus cuz I find the opening "with me/with me" rhyme really insipid and grating, and it turns out he threw a "fuck" in there too that i was unaware of.
― da croupier, Sunday, 13 April 2014 15:05 (ten years ago) link
between this and jessica biel producing a TV pilot about a bachelor living the high life in NYC who has a sudden change of heart after babysitting his nephew. He hires an aspiring actress to play his wife, and things get complicated when he finds himself falling for her those two are painting a pretty horrifying picture.
― da croupier, Sunday, 13 April 2014 15:07 (ten years ago) link
So glad I'm overseas where I don't have to deal with this shit
― 龜, Sunday, 13 April 2014 15:14 (ten years ago) link
Dunno that ppl have to deal w it onshore
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Sunday, 13 April 2014 15:49 (ten years ago) link
"I feel like the most damning thing about Part 2 is that none of the singles have been as good as "Suit & Tie" or "Mirrors""
this is true and it is also much more of an insult than stated
― katherine, Sunday, 13 April 2014 16:17 (ten years ago) link
"Brand New" off the Pharrell album is so easily my favorite thing he's done in a while, really reaffirms that i much prefer P to Timbaland as a creative foil for Justin.
― some dude, Sunday, 13 April 2014 16:30 (ten years ago) link
seconded
― balls, Sunday, 13 April 2014 17:03 (ten years ago) link
idk feel like "Brand New" never takes off as much as it should and Justified doesn't really hold up outside of the singles mostly
Still like part 1 even though its flaws became more apparent over time. part 2 has some good stuff amidst some bad ideas but can't say I come back to it much. this single's pretty eh imo but I'll take it over "Mirrors"
― nova, Sunday, 13 April 2014 19:28 (ten years ago) link
― some dude, Sunday, April 13, 2014 12:30 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
it's so horrible that pharrell is putting "marilyn monroe" out as the next single, that song is trash
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 13 April 2014 19:54 (ten years ago) link
lol i like "mirrors" a lot and tolerate "suit and tie", but haven't these songs been widely panned?
― surfbort memes get played out, totally (k3vin k.), Sunday, April 13, 2014 5:50 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I think that's rev's point
― Tim F, Sunday, April 13, 2014 5:57 AM Bookmark
I like "Suit & Tie" a lot and tolerate "Mirroors", but that was my point
― steendriver dysphoria hoos (The Reverend), Sunday, 13 April 2014 20:50 (ten years ago) link
haha I'll let my "Mirroors" typo stand
JT is coming back to play Chicago at the end of the year. Which would make this his ... sixth stop here since winter of 2013? At least?
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 13 April 2014 20:53 (ten years ago) link
the near-unanimous hatred for Mirrors is so weird to me. like i understand some ppl not liking it but everyone? obviously i am wrong about it.
― alpine static, Sunday, 13 April 2014 21:00 (ten years ago) link
It's like your my MIRROOR
― steendriver dysphoria hoos (The Reverend), Sunday, 13 April 2014 21:03 (ten years ago) link
err you're obv
I love Mirrors, haters be damned.
― schwantz, Sunday, 13 April 2014 21:21 (ten years ago) link
i mean, let's be real, any song that sold millions of downloads and broke radio airplay records is not unanimously hated. outside of this message board it's pretty well regarded. even on Pazz & Jop it just barely missed the top 10.
sucks tho.
― some dude, Sunday, 13 April 2014 21:34 (ten years ago) link
― da croupier, Sunday, April 13, 2014 11:05 AM (8 hours ago)
the lazy rhyming doesn't really bother me, since the rhyme is such an unimportant part of the hook -- it's all about the groove. it doesn't really get in the way
― surfbort memes get played out, totally (k3vin k.), Sunday, 13 April 2014 23:46 (ten years ago) link
xpost: yeah i didn't mean unanimous globally, just 'round here. i'm kinda surprised it placed so high on p&j
― alpine static, Monday, 14 April 2014 00:07 (ten years ago) link
i like it too
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 April 2014 00:17 (ten years ago) link
think we need Don 'n' Glenn to opine on the Timber.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 April 2014 00:19 (ten years ago) link
well yeah
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 April 2014 00:31 (ten years ago) link
i don't suppose any of you clever internet detectives could track down the three edits ("no bullshit" and "album side length" and "just hooks") of this album that were originally posted here:
http://the2020experience.bandcamp.com/album/the-20-20-experience-no-bullshit― some dude, Monday, March 25, 2013 11:13 AM (seven years ago)
― some dude, Monday, March 25, 2013 11:13 AM (seven years ago)
could ya?
― alpine static, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 20:47 (three years ago) link