Finally Rich - Chief Keef

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chief keef is and will be more influential than gunplay, guys, this is not really a deej moment

ramones are great because of what they do, musically though

― flopson, Friday, January 11, 2013 3:35 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i didnt question the ramones comparison tbh although it's not the most precise one

breaking: the keef debate is now at hurricane level "subjective"

Chief Keef is more like the guitarist for Staind than Joey Ramone imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njkhBhHsq2c

fwiw people might find this interview w/ malik yusef interesting. it brings up some of the complications of keef's situation

*johnny

Chief Keef is more like the guitarist for Staind than Joey Ramone imo

― NINO CARTER, Friday, January 11, 2013 3:38 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, and commercial rap is just like fast food, am i right

uh no, i love lots of commercial rap

does that make deej fred durst?

that is not what makes deej Fred Durst

CHIEF KEEF:RAP::NU-METAL:METAL makes a lot of sense actually

just drop d guitars, aggro chords, no solos ma'am

i did it all for the nookie, is the main thing

3 drummers, please

pentatonics, that's that shit i don't like

CHIEF KEEF:RAP::NU-METAL:METAL makes a lot of sense actually

― 乒乓, Friday, January 11, 2013 4:41 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can we ban 乒乓 from this fucking thread already

pentatonics, that's that shit i don't like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUxH1KVi84Q

that is definitely some shit I don't like

omg whoa xpost

CHIEF KEEF:RAP::NU-METAL:METAL makes a lot of sense actually

― 乒乓, Friday, January 11, 2013 4:41 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can we ban 乒乓 from this fucking thread already

im just tryin to get markers to post more itt, chill

that pentatonix video is so fucking vile

Deej - I'm definitely one of the people who do think Keef brings something new to the table and that he is probably important and that the album is among the best of the year, but since you tend to beat down almost everyone who tries to make a similar case as well as those who oppose you, could we at least have some bulletpoints or something to sum up WHAT it is about Keef that YOU think makes him special? And in advance "he makes other rappers sound old" doesn't count as a real argument - that's what he is supposed to do as a rapper. The question is why and how he does it - and by extentsion, what it all might mean.

Thanks.

i dont think im beating down ppl like jordan etc.! I mostly agree w/ him. I'm just trying to draw out or locate what the appeal is in a way that i think is true & for me personally, his rapping is pretty key to why it 'works' so saying it is 'terrible' is kind of undercutting your case

& i feel like i have made an argument for what he's doing as a rapper pretty much throughout this thread

I never said it was terrible! I like his rapping! And I want your bullet points!

deej is making perfectly sensible (& correct) arguments itt

whiney's posting itt is especially embarrassing

the point about 'realer' is very salient... i mean c'mon it has colored the entire debate about the guy's existence

and again, when it's impossible to distinguish posts from respected posters with those of bo jackson overdrive... it's a sad day for ILX

lol i love how i'm being blamed for the fart derail despite joining after it started!

Yes, so he can go first. All I'm saying is hey, let's be constructive! We have some Keef fans in here. I am one. Let's get those arguments together and see which ones we can use. Let's get a fresh start -without the fart jokes.

deej has made plenty of points itt we don't a bullet point list of them again

i made some fart jokes and i think i am to blame for the word "fart" being brought up

but i also did listen to it with open ears and tried to make some real observations or at least my honest reactions to it

tbh the fart thing was intermittently funny

I didn't say deej hadn't made points. I'm saying the discussion has been all over the place for a while now and it's time to collect the strands. But if I'm the only person who is interested in reading a positive, non-defensive argument for Keef's importance, I'll gladly bow out.

welcome to ilx... unfortunately there are now powerpoint slides in summation at the end

here are the pro keef points afaict:

1.) CHICAGO YOUTH MOVEMENT
2.) simplified rap into really direct, literal lyrics that makes it really 'effective'
3.) has/will influence the direction of 'rap' this year

not sure if any of that supports a 'best album of the year' designation but w/e

well no one said it was the best album of the year but okay

the YOUTH part is the funniest to me... like I can imagine deej getting tipped off to some up and coming rapper and immediately googling to see how old the kid is

― 乒乓

Was that really the premise of all this?

dayo that's either an ignorant or willful misread of pro-keef arguments, not that i'd expect anything more from you

can you take this level of withering derision dayo

dayoUTH MOVEMENT

lol j0rd, it's the best I could garner from your review #shrug

the fetishization of youth culture is the most hilarious part of this to me

like, I may be misremembering and apologies if I am but it seems like half the people big-upping Chief Keef for his youthful vibrancy are the same ppl who kept calling the posters on the rolling teenpop threads pedophiles

I'd go into how his "realness" codes to me but I need to get home and I already obliquely called Keef fans racists once in this thread

if anyone knows how to properly condescend its strongo hulkington

Take that as a no...

lol j0rd, it's the best I could garner from your review #shrug

― 乒乓, Friday, January 11, 2013 6:19 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark

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the fetishization of youth culture is the most hilarious part of this to me

like, I may be misremembering and apologies if I am but it seems like half the people big-upping Chief Keef for his youthful vibrancy are the same ppl who kept calling the posters on the rolling teenpop threads pedophiles

I'd go into how his "realness" codes to me but I need to get home and I already obliquely called Keef fans racists once in this thread

― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, January 11, 2013 5:19 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's not a 'fetishization' of youth culture. describing the context doesn't mean that the context is the reason we like something. thus all the countless explanations where i talk about why i like this.