of course its subjective! but it's kind of unquestionable that certain artists are going to have a bigger impact than others, aesthetically, right? i mean, that's something you can actually hear
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
whiney sorry but i think it's important if you're going to make a case that keef matters that it's about him & not just "oh he picks good beats" or "he is influenced by soulja boy and waka" but actually make a case for what he does, musically
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, January 11, 2013 4:31 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ramones are great because of what they do, musically though
― flopson, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
re: waves in the culture
http://www.surferliving.com/forums/uploads/monthly_01_2012/post-2-0-42971400-1325477363.jpg
― NINO CARTER, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
http://cdn.thefader.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/F68_wavves.jpg
― lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
chief keef is and will be more influential than gunplay, guys, this is not really a deej moment
― flopson, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
― flopson, Friday, January 11, 2013 3:35 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i didnt question the ramones comparison tbh although it's not the most precise one
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
breaking: the keef debate is now at hurricane level "subjective"
― da croupier, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
Chief Keef is more like the guitarist for Staind than Joey Ramone imo
― NINO CARTER, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:38 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njkhBhHsq2c
fwiw people might find this interview w/ malik yusef interesting. it brings up some of the complications of keef's situation
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
*johnny
― NINO CARTER, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
― NINO CARTER, Friday, January 11, 2013 3:38 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah, and commercial rap is just like fast food, am i right
uh no, i love lots of commercial rap
― NINO CARTER, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:40 (eleven years ago) link
does that make deej fred durst?
― al gould everything (crüt), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:40 (eleven years ago) link
that is not what makes deej Fred Durst
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:40 (eleven years ago) link
CHIEF KEEF:RAP::NU-METAL:METAL makes a lot of sense actually
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:41 (eleven years ago) link
just drop d guitars, aggro chords, no solos ma'am
i did it all for the nookie, is the main thing
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:41 (eleven years ago) link
3 drummers, please
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
pentatonics, that's that shit i don't like
― NINO CARTER, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
― 乒乓, Friday, January 11, 2013 4:41 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
can we ban 乒乓 from this fucking thread already
― lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:43 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUxH1KVi84Q
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
that is definitely some shit I don't like
― al gould everything (crüt), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
omg whoa xpost
― NINO CARTER, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
CHIEF KEEF:RAP::NU-METAL:METAL makes a lot of sense actually― 乒乓, Friday, January 11, 2013 4:41 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkcan we ban 乒乓 from this fucking thread already
im just tryin to get markers to post more itt, chill
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
that pentatonix video is so fucking vile
― one bish two bish red bish blue bish (fadanuf4erybody), Friday, 11 January 2013 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
Deej - I'm definitely one of the people who do think Keef brings something new to the table and that he is probably important and that the album is among the best of the year, but since you tend to beat down almost everyone who tries to make a similar case as well as those who oppose you, could we at least have some bulletpoints or something to sum up WHAT it is about Keef that YOU think makes him special? And in advance "he makes other rappers sound old" doesn't count as a real argument - that's what he is supposed to do as a rapper. The question is why and how he does it - and by extentsion, what it all might mean.
Thanks.
― future kendricks (longneck), Friday, 11 January 2013 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
i dont think im beating down ppl like jordan etc.! I mostly agree w/ him. I'm just trying to draw out or locate what the appeal is in a way that i think is true & for me personally, his rapping is pretty key to why it 'works' so saying it is 'terrible' is kind of undercutting your case
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
& i feel like i have made an argument for what he's doing as a rapper pretty much throughout this thread
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 23:00 (eleven years ago) link
I never said it was terrible! I like his rapping! And I want your bullet points!
― future kendricks (longneck), Friday, 11 January 2013 23:01 (eleven years ago) link
deej is making perfectly sensible (& correct) arguments itt
― J0rdan S., Friday, 11 January 2013 23:04 (eleven years ago) link
whiney's posting itt is especially embarrassing
― J0rdan S., Friday, 11 January 2013 23:05 (eleven years ago) link
the point about 'realer' is very salient... i mean c'mon it has colored the entire debate about the guy's existence
and again, when it's impossible to distinguish posts from respected posters with those of bo jackson overdrive... it's a sad day for ILX
― J0rdan S., Friday, 11 January 2013 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
lol i love how i'm being blamed for the fart derail despite joining after it started!
― NINO CARTER, Friday, 11 January 2013 23:07 (eleven years ago) link
Yes, so he can go first. All I'm saying is hey, let's be constructive! We have some Keef fans in here. I am one. Let's get those arguments together and see which ones we can use. Let's get a fresh start -without the fart jokes.
― future kendricks (longneck), Friday, 11 January 2013 23:08 (eleven years ago) link
deej has made plenty of points itt we don't a bullet point list of them again
― J0rdan S., Friday, 11 January 2013 23:09 (eleven years ago) link
i made some fart jokes and i think i am to blame for the word "fart" being brought up
but i also did listen to it with open ears and tried to make some real observations or at least my honest reactions to it
― fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 January 2013 23:10 (eleven years ago) link
tbh the fart thing was intermittently funny
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 23:12 (eleven years ago) link
I didn't say deej hadn't made points. I'm saying the discussion has been all over the place for a while now and it's time to collect the strands. But if I'm the only person who is interested in reading a positive, non-defensive argument for Keef's importance, I'll gladly bow out.
― future kendricks (longneck), Friday, 11 January 2013 23:13 (eleven years ago) link
welcome to ilx... unfortunately there are now powerpoint slides in summation at the end
― J0rdan S., Friday, 11 January 2013 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
here are the pro keef points afaict:
1.) CHICAGO YOUTH MOVEMENT2.) simplified rap into really direct, literal lyrics that makes it really 'effective'3.) has/will influence the direction of 'rap' this year
not sure if any of that supports a 'best album of the year' designation but w/e
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
well no one said it was the best album of the year but okay
― J0rdan S., Friday, 11 January 2013 23:16 (eleven years ago) link
the YOUTH part is the funniest to me... like I can imagine deej getting tipped off to some up and coming rapper and immediately googling to see how old the kid is
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 23:16 (eleven years ago) link
― 乒乓
Was that really the premise of all this?
― tsrobodo, Friday, 11 January 2013 23:17 (eleven years ago) link
dayo that's either an ignorant or willful misread of pro-keef arguments, not that i'd expect anything more from you
― J0rdan S., Friday, 11 January 2013 23:17 (eleven years ago) link
can you take this level of withering derision dayo
― let's go do some crimes (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 11 January 2013 23:18 (eleven years ago) link
dayoUTH MOVEMENT
― trey songza (some dude), Friday, 11 January 2013 23:18 (eleven years ago) link
lol j0rd, it's the best I could garner from your review #shrug
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 23:19 (eleven years ago) link
the fetishization of youth culture is the most hilarious part of this to me
like, I may be misremembering and apologies if I am but it seems like half the people big-upping Chief Keef for his youthful vibrancy are the same ppl who kept calling the posters on the rolling teenpop threads pedophiles
I'd go into how his "realness" codes to me but I need to get home and I already obliquely called Keef fans racists once in this thread
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, 11 January 2013 23:19 (eleven years ago) link
if anyone knows how to properly condescend its strongo hulkington
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 23:19 (eleven years ago) link